frankj1
8 years ago

If I were chasing reasonable I wouldn't be reading your posts.


When are you me and frank getting together for beers?

tailgater wrote:


he should make the drive.
frankj1
8 years ago

I wanna go... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


of course you are invited!
frankj1
8 years ago
we could meet at the old Obama house
Speyside
8 years ago
Anthony, how about backing up your statement that harassment is not a form of civil disobedience with facts.

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands, orders or commands of a government or occupying international power. Civil disobedience is sometimes defined as having to be nonviolent to be called civil disobedience."

I see non violent harassment of government officials as a form of civil disobedience. It would be the non violent refusal to obey harassment laws.
Abrignac
8 years ago

Anthony, how about backing up your statement that harassment is not a form of civil disobedience with facts.

Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws, demands, orders or commands of a government or occupying international power. Civil disobedience is sometimes defined as having to be nonviolent to be called civil disobedience."

I see non violent harassment of government officials as a form of civil disobedience. It would be the non violent refusal to obey harassment laws.

Speyside wrote:




Civil disobedience is not a crime against a person. If someone wants to handcuff themselves to an oak tree in a public space so be it. They aren't hurting anyone. If however, someone chooses to invade someone else's personal space, the the law pretty much allows for that person beat the crap of the offender.

Only a box of rocks would have trouble differentiating between the two.
Speyside
8 years ago
Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.
Abrignac
8 years ago

Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.

Speyside wrote:




So you want me to prove a negative? Have you worked out where this goes? Do you understand the concept of "What would a reasonable person do given the same set of circumstances?" So in your mind you think that if someone harasses another that at some point the person being harassed is not going to see it as a call to action, not to mention that it will ratchet up rhetoric which almost always leads to violence.

If you can't see the logical progression of what you are in favor of, then I suggest you get another pair of glasses so you can see past your nose.
Abrignac
8 years ago

Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.

Speyside wrote:



You might want to also get a spell checker and a grammar guide.
teedubbya
8 years ago
I can’t understand anyone defending Maxine Waters over this one any more than I can those defending any one of trumps numerous times he’s encouraged his supporters to do the same or worse. He actually asked for violence more than once.

What I can understand is someone who defends one of them and not the other. That person is easily identified as a partisan hack and not to be taken seriously.

Oh yea one is just kidding and stuff the other is evil and/or unhinged.

Trump is Maxine Waters. Neither is someone I’d defend.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

We both know when we are off stage neither of us cares how the other thinks/votes. We're Americans, durnit!
Like I told MACS last week when we disagreed, I still loved his emotion and passion for our country.

I challenge you to post just 3 lunatic things from the right.
Just to keep you from going too deep under the ether. I was concerned you have been blinded when you posted you will never vote for another Dem evah again! Evah!

I didn't vote Dem last election, so far not gonna next time either cuz all I see for a platform is Not Trump...but all I saw last time for a GOP platform that began one day into Obama's term was not Obama.

Surely that must lead to at least SOME right wing lunacy in your eyes...no?

frankj1 wrote:



Voting is a duty to not take lightly. Especially now. When a party can steal away an election from a favorable candidate and there no ramifications then how can you trust that party? The manner in which the Clintons have used the party and government agencies needs to be addressed and punishment doled out, otherwise another will follow the same footsteps to obtain what they seek.

I did post that I won't be voting for another Democrat ever again. I meant that. The party represents nothing I believe in. They're not for the "working man", they cannot pass single page common sense legislation and are complacent in doing absolutely nothing. 8 years they were fine ramming down a shoddy healthcare bill that over 70% of Americans stated they didn't want. They played parliamentary games to get bills where they wanted and shoved it down our throats. It was exactly what the GOP said the bill was too. Everyone saw their rates go up, Big Pharma raised their prices by hundreds and and even into the thousands of percents because they could. There were those that couldn't even afford Obamacare and those that lost their healthcare altogether but that didn't stop the Democrats from doing what they wanted with abject jubilee. I can go on and on and on and have here on a host of issues but what's the point? Its exactly like Ronald Reagan exclaimed, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.”. They have nothing for me, nothing. There used to be at least one that I could say is doing a good job, there hasn't been one in over 15 years on the national level. Locally, thats a bit different because they HAVE to interact with their community.

As for 3 examples...I'll bite. It's pretty easy for me.

1 - Trump's Twitter machine. Take it away, shut it off while he's President. It's not honorable of the Office and it doesn't set a tone measurable with the respect of it. I'd expect the Leader of the Free World to be a bit above it. Trump is a TV personality who's larger than life and he cannot let that go. There are times where I wince and there are times I laugh, but I don't think it's something a President should do.

2 - Jeff Sessions. He needs to be fired. He's a complete and utter joke in everything he does. EVERYTHING. He's a transgender Granny Clampett spreading his religious beliefs like some sacred Johnny Appleseed. He's over his head and it shows. He is diametrically opposed to almost everything America needs and wants.

3 - Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. A one time VP candidate and possible Presidential candidate. Not any more. Put a fork in him, nobody likes a quitter. Nobody likes a Do-Nothing too. Worthless POS that decides now that he wants to be a stay at home dad? Creating a power vacuum in a time like this? He is what Hillary called a "Deplorable". Can't even pull his party to enact legislation and wants to just do nothing once they obtained all 3 branches. Unbelievable. So much could've been done, instead its trench warfare they settle on. It's pathetic and laughable at the same time.

I could write plot lines and sketches for Mel Brooks just based on those 3 and have almost a movie!
Speyside
8 years ago
Wow, glasses would be a huge help. Plus I lost track of my point and had a nonsense argument going.

My point was intent to harass is not intent to riot. And yes, intent to harass is not civil disobedience. Also Waters comments are despicable. Drafter, my bad. So finally, Anthony et al my argument was incorrect.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

Wow, glasses would be a huge help. Plus I lost track of my point and had a nonsense argument going.

My point was intent to harass is not intent to riot. And yes, intent to harass is not civil disobedience. Also Waters comments are despicable. Drafter, my bad. So finally, Anthony et al my argument was incorrect.

Speyside wrote:




Either one...harass and set up a riot aren't what I would call conduct becoming a US Senator. Instead all she did was set up another ad for the GOP to use (and they will!) come election time. She's been there long enough to know what she's doing. If she's medically incapable now she should step down. Having the DNC in full apology mode yesterday was delicious irony, however our steadfast bastions of Free Speech media...didn't put it in the front where it belongs.

That's my take.
tailgater
8 years ago

Thaks for the incite, to bad it is completely wrong. Civil disobedience is a citizens refusal to obey a law in a nonviolent manner. As usual you have given your opinion and attempted to pawn it off as fact. Though you are certainly welcome to belittle yourself by using inane insults. Intent to riot would lead to violent crime. Intent to harass would lead to non violent crime. I still only see your inaccurate opinion. I find no proof that civil disobedience cannot be against individuals.

Speyside wrote:



Ironic post of the week.

Speyside
8 years ago
Yeah, pretty much.
frankj1
8 years ago

Voting is a duty to not take lightly. Especially now. When a party can steal away an election from a favorable candidate and there no ramifications then how can you trust that party? The manner in which the Clintons have used the party and government agencies needs to be addressed and punishment doled out, otherwise another will follow the same footsteps to obtain what they seek.

I did post that I won't be voting for another Democrat ever again. I meant that. The party represents nothing I believe in. They're not for the "working man", they cannot pass single page common sense legislation and are complacent in doing absolutely nothing. 8 years they were fine ramming down a shoddy healthcare bill that over 70% of Americans stated they didn't want. They played parliamentary games to get bills where they wanted and shoved it down our throats. It was exactly what the GOP said the bill was too. Everyone saw their rates go up, Big Pharma raised their prices by hundreds and and even into the thousands of percents because they could. There were those that couldn't even afford Obamacare and those that lost their healthcare altogether but that didn't stop the Democrats from doing what they wanted with abject jubilee. I can go on and on and on and have here on a host of issues but what's the point? Its exactly like Ronald Reagan exclaimed, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.”. They have nothing for me, nothing. There used to be at least one that I could say is doing a good job, there hasn't been one in over 15 years on the national level. Locally, thats a bit different because they HAVE to interact with their community.

As for 3 examples...I'll bite. It's pretty easy for me.

1 - Trump's Twitter machine. Take it away, shut it off while he's President. It's not honorable of the Office and it doesn't set a tone measurable with the respect of it. I'd expect the Leader of the Free World to be a bit above it. Trump is a TV personality who's larger than life and he cannot let that go. There are times where I wince and there are times I laugh, but I don't think it's something a President should do.

2 - Jeff Sessions. He needs to be fired. He's a complete and utter joke in everything he does. EVERYTHING. He's a transgender Granny Clampett spreading his religious beliefs like some sacred Johnny Appleseed. He's over his head and it shows. He is diametrically opposed to almost everything America needs and wants.

3 - Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. A one time VP candidate and possible Presidential candidate. Not any more. Put a fork in him, nobody likes a quitter. Nobody likes a Do-Nothing too. Worthless POS that decides now that he wants to be a stay at home dad? Creating a power vacuum in a time like this? He is what Hillary called a "Deplorable". Can't even pull his party to enact legislation and wants to just do nothing once they obtained all 3 branches. Unbelievable. So much could've been done, instead its trench warfare they settle on. It's pathetic and laughable at the same time.

I could write plot lines and sketches for Mel Brooks just based on those 3 and have almost a movie!

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Love #1
Didn't expect #2 but agree
Never saw #3 coming.

BTW, just cuz I didn't vote Dem or GOP last time doesn't mean I didn't vote...because it is sacred. I knew The Johnson could not win, was just hoping to help raise the percent enough to get a third party on the Debate Stage in the near future...IIRC they needed 15%?
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago
I just couldn't vote for Gary Johnson.

EVERYTIME he was on tv he was stoned out of his mind. I don't have a problem with that, BUT time and place. If you seriously want to lead be a leader. He stammered, had no clue and flat out did more harm to 3rd party than help.

I don't have an issue with 3rd party...really wish Ron Paul would've gotten in the ring...just be ready to lead and talk about something more than legalization of weed...which Sessions is a fool for not decriminalizing.
frankj1
8 years ago

I just couldn't vote for Gary Johnson.

EVERYTIME he was on tv he was stoned out of his mind. I don't have a problem with that, BUT time and place. If you seriously want to lead be a leader. He stammered, had no clue and flat out did more harm to 3rd party than help.

I don't have an issue with 3rd party...really wish Ron Paul would've gotten in the ring...just be ready to lead and talk about something more than legalization of weed...which Sessions is a fool for not decriminalizing.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Johnson was a horrible candidate. I just made myself vote for the concept of a viable third party getting funding and a seat at the televised debates...but I believe that ideal failed as well.

I was even more encouraged to do so in MA...Hill was going to win without my vote, Trump was going to lose with my vote. Looked to me like either of those would have been a wasted vote so I took a shot at having meaning. Timing seemed right.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago

Johnson was a horrible candidate. I just made myself vote for the concept of a viable third party getting funding and a seat at the televised debates...but I believe that ideal failed as well.

I was even more encouraged to do so in MA...Hill was going to win without my vote, Trump was going to lose with my vote. Looked to me like either of those would have been a wasted vote so I took a shot at having meaning. Timing seemed right.

frankj1 wrote:



I wanted to like Johnson... I just couldn't do it.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
I could make you.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago
This I HAVE to hear.


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