HuckFinn
8 years ago

You seem to have missed my point.....Time magazine and many other media outlets have been lying to us since before Trump ever came onto the scene...who knows if what they tell us true...but you go ahead and enjoy your subscription to Time magazine

…..but maybe you got my point but missed your TDS meds today

RMAN4443 wrote:


I stated clearly that all news sources do it.
But in the scheme of things? It's a freaking Pic!

Lying about global warming or colluding with the russians is a bigger deal.

Trump is a megomaniac heading us and the world in a direction I sure don't want to go.

Joke all you want. You're dillusional if you dont see guy's demented and dangerous.


HuckFinn
8 years ago

He definitely forgot meds today... He sure loves his Time Magazine... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


I do.
RMAN4443
8 years ago

I stated clearly that all news sources do it.
But in the scheme of things? It's a freaking Pic!

Lying about global warming or colluding with the russians is a bigger deal.

Trump is a megomaniac heading us and the world in a direction I sure don't want to go.

Joke all you want. You're dillusional if you dont see guy's demented and dangerous.


HuckFinn wrote:


I heard Al Gore wrote a book and made a movie about global warming that was full of lies and BS....

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/03/30/al-gore-has-made-another-science-fiction-movie-about-global-warming/ 

A decade ago, Al Gore’s 2006 faux-umentary about climate change called “An Inconvenient Truth” won two Oscars. No, it wasn’t in the propaganda or fantasy category, though it should have been. It was filled with so many falsehoods that a British judge said it could not be shown to students unless it included a notice pointing out the errors.
DrafterX
8 years ago
It was nice of him to invent the internet tho... 😟
HuckFinn
8 years ago

I heard Al Gore wrote a book and made a movie about global warming that was full of lies and BS....

http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/03/30/al-gore-has-made-another-science-fiction-movie-about-global-warming/ 

A decade ago, Al Gore’s 2006 faux-umentary about climate change called “An Inconvenient Truth” won two Oscars. No, it wasn’t in the propaganda or fantasy category, though it should have been. It was filled with so many falsehoods that a British judge said it could not be shown to students unless it included a notice pointing out the errors.

RMAN4443 wrote:



Wtf does this have to do with anything?
Unless you think global warming is a myth and need to see Gore as a personification of the lefts lies and liars. Suit yourself.

You want to trade lies? Google Trump lies. Fox lies.

It was bad judgement to use that photoshopped photo. I've said that ad nauseum.

Regarding Gores case, civil court, it was brought by a school governor against the Secretary of State for Education, who was trying to stop the film from being distributed in UK schools.
Justice Burton ordered that teaching notes accompanying the film should be modified to clarify the speculative (and occasionally hyperbolic) presentation of some issues.

But Burton found no errors at all in the science. In his written judgement, the word error appears in quotes each time it is used – nine points formed the entirety of his judgement - indicating that he did not support the assertion the points were erroneous.

Gore made points that have subsequently been disputed and substantiated.
But Global Warming is real. But who gives a fluck, right?
The 97% of scientists that say it's man-made and happening must be in on the lie I guess? Pinkos.
RMAN4443
8 years ago

Wtf does this have to do with anything?
Unless you think global warming is a myth and need to see Gore as a personification of the lefts lies and liars. Suit yourself.

You want to trade lies? Google Trump lies. Fox lies.

It was bad judgement to use that photoshopped photo. I've said that ad nauseum.

Regarding Gores case, civil court, it was brought by a school governor against the Secretary of State for Education, who was trying to stop the film from being distributed in UK schools.
Justice Burton ordered that teaching notes accompanying the film should be modified to clarify the speculative (and occasionally hyperbolic) presentation of some issues.

But Burton found no errors at all in the science. In his written judgement, the word error appears in quotes each time it is used – nine points formed the entirety of his judgement - indicating that he did not support the assertion the points were erroneous.

Gore made points that have subsequently been disputed and substantiated.
But Global Warming is real. But who gives a fluck, right?
The 97% of scientists that say it's man-made and happening must be in on the lie I guess? Pinkos.

HuckFinn wrote:


Bill Clinton lies, Hillary Clinton lies,Obama lies, Al Gore lies, Nancy Pelosi lies, CNN lie....gee, this is kinda fun...

Gore also made points that were proven wrong in the decade or so since he since he made them to us as fact....
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/ 



I believe it was 98.2% of scientists, wasn't it? And I don't know but I do assume they must be in on it...Collusion and all that, don't ya know

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/ 

But if you believe it and Time magazine says it's true, I guess it must be true 🤐
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Bill Clinton lies, Hillary Clinton lies,Obama lies, Al Gore lies, Nancy Pelosi lies, CNN lie....gee, this is kinda fun...

Gore also made points that were proven wrong in the decade or so since he since he made them to us as fact....
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/ 



I believe it was 98.2% of scientists, wasn't it? And I don't know but I do assume they must be in on it...Collusion and all that, don't ya know

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/03/an-inconvenient-review-after-10-years-al-gores-film-is-still-alarmingly-inaccurate/ 

But if you believe it and Time magazine says it's true, I guess it must be true [-(

RMAN4443 wrote:


Probably doesn't matter to you but I just lost a lot of respect for you Rick.

Seriously...I'm wondering, why bother..seems like some sort of dialectic game for you..but it's just a stupid waste of time the way I see it..

You think Trump is a savior...I think he's malignant..you split hairs about Global Warming like it's a joke and cite the Daily Caller..I strongly believe global-warming is real, destroying our planet and should be apolitical and wonder if you even know who the Daily Caller is, their agenda..origins...and mission

so what's the point?

I read the Daily Caller. There are some really smart well-intentioned writers there.
I read Time.

Maybe you ought to break out of your bubble and get both sides of stories/issues once in a while.
Unless you just like to argue and hear yourself talk with us lefties.
In which case, like I said, I'm out.

Did you think that because I openly admitted to reading Time, and you and others in here clearly hate the magazine, you could win some brownie points with con cbiders?
Maybe even embarrass me?

Screw that.

Your last post is nonsensical and petty.

But I'm sure Donald would be proud.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
RMAN4443
8 years ago

Probably doesn't matter to you but I just lost a lot of respect for you Rick.

Seriously...I'm wondering, why bother..seems like some sort of dialectic game for you..but it's just a stupid waste of time the way I see it..

You think Trump is a savior...I think he's malignant..you split hairs about Global Warming like it's a joke and cite the Daily Caller..I strongly believe global-warming is real, destroying our planet and should be apolitical and wonder if you even know who the Daily Caller is, their agenda..origins...and mission

so what's the point?

I read the Daily Caller. There are some really smart well-intentioned writers there.
I read Time.

Maybe you ought to break out of your bubble and get both sides of stories/issues once in a while.
Unless you just like to argue and hear yourself talk with us lefties.
In which case, like I said, I'm out.

Did you think that because I openly admitted to reading Time, and you and others in here clearly hate the magazine, you could win some brownie points with con cbiders?
Maybe even embarrass me?

Screw that.

Your last post is nonsensical and petty.

But I'm sure Donald would be proud.

HuckFinn wrote:


I never said Trump was any kind of savior..... I read news from lots of sources, so I'm not really living in a bubble, just responding to your trading lies statement and the other statements you've made that I'm supposed to take your word for, you the guy who tells me it's no big deal that Time lied to me....it's only a pic yes, but the picture was a lie...or was it only a symbol of a lie....maybe your plan is working, I'm getting confused

I'm honestly not going for brownie points from anyone here on cbid...what's that going to get me??

I do see you telling me that Time can lie to me and it's no big deal....that it's not "fake news", but a symbol...well, the way I was brought up they flat out lied to me...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....you know how it goes...

your right it's not worth it to try to change your mind...so carry on...
victor809
8 years ago



I do see you telling me that Time can lie to me and it's no big deal....that it's not "fake news", but a symbol...well, the way I was brought up they flat out lied to me...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....you know how it goes...

RMAN4443 wrote:



I find this kind of funny.

The truth is they didn't "flat out lie" to you.

It's a magazine cover with two figures photoshopped to be facing each other on a clearly non-real background.

Where is the lie?

The people running around claiming it's a lie are using the fact that this crying child in particular was not separated from it's parents. That doesn't make the cover a lie. you identify it as a lie, because that particular crying child is emblematic.

If they had drawn a child, you would not have called it a lie. Because there are crying children, and by not specifying a specific child, people's association with a particular incident disappears. The issue as a generality still exists.

If they had used an actor of some sort, you would have not had any reason to call it a lie... (I'm assuming you wouldn't)... as they would be purposefully dramatizing an existing issue for the cover.

They could have used any of the well known memes of crying children, completely unassociated with the current issue, and you would have understood their cover without having any reason to call it a lie....

So... I find it funny you would call this a lie....

I'd call it dumb. They could have done this a number of different ways without creating this issue... but they didn't. But to call it a lie is to show you don't really understand the point behind the cover. (I'll give you a hint... the cover was about a larger issue, which impacts many children... it isn't about one crying kid).
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DrafterX
8 years ago

Probably doesn't matter to you but I just lost a lot of respect for you Rick.

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HuckFinn wrote:




😂

Poor Rick... 😞
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

I believe FOX News commentary/opinion is "fake news".

delta1 wrote:




You already know its commentary/opinion...I side with its mostly Opinion Editorial...which fills most of it's time slots. There's actually very little "news" on that channel.

To understand how it got it's place and ranking one only has to tune in to the alternatives or the old alphabet soup stations. It used to produce only fact driven stories, not anymore. News anchors are free to mingle their opinions and worse yet their feelings into stories. Most of them are issues that Americans don't care about. When FoxNews started it was a breath of fresh air to see stories that were carried and followed up on. Most if not all of the Op Ed shows expanded and expounded them. Of course their ratings are a juggernaut that the others fall in their wake.

You already know what most of the shows are. Railing about them like they're "news" is a joke. Ignoring them is too. If you care to be informed why not listen to what the other side has to say or are you one of the few here that refuse to learn something new and change an opinion?
HuckFinn
8 years ago

I'm proud.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Of what!?



It's the worst of the 7 deadly sins I hear so...well, good for you dude!



...do you march in the Gay Pride parade? Not totally unlikely, right?

Just sayin..
HuckFinn
8 years ago

You already know its commentary/opinion...I side with its mostly Opinion Editorial...which fills most of it's time slots. There's actually very little "news" on that channel.

To understand how it got it's place and ranking one only has to tune in to the alternatives or the old alphabet soup stations. It used to produce only fact driven stories, not anymore. News anchors are free to mingle their opinions and worse yet their feelings into stories. Most of them are issues that Americans don't care about. When FoxNews started it was a breath of fresh air to see stories that were carried and followed up on. Most if not all of the Op Ed shows expanded and expounded them. Of course their ratings are a juggernaut that the others fall in their wake.

You already know what most of the shows are. Railing about them like they're "news" is a joke. Ignoring them is too. If you care to be informed why not listen to what the other side has to say or are you one of the few here that refuse to learn something new and change an opinion?

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Refreshingly objective post. Well done.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

😂

Poor Rick... 😞

DrafterX wrote:


I could never lose any respect for you Drafter
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Dude. I'm an honorary mayor of Gaybor.

Everyone loves me.
RMAN4443
8 years ago

I find this kind of funny.

The truth is they didn't "flat out lie" to you.

It's a magazine cover with two figures photoshopped to be facing each other on a clearly non-real background.

Where is the lie?

The people running around claiming it's a lie are using the fact that this crying child in particular was not separated from it's parents. That doesn't make the cover a lie. you identify it as a lie, because that particular crying child is emblematic.

If they had drawn a child, you would not have called it a lie. Because there are crying children, and by not specifying a specific child, people's association with a particular incident disappears. The issue as a generality still exists.

If they had used an actor of some sort, you would have not had any reason to call it a lie... (I'm assuming you wouldn't)... as they would be purposefully dramatizing an existing issue for the cover.

They could have used any of the well known memes of crying children, completely unassociated with the current issue, and you would have understood their cover without having any reason to call it a lie....

So... I find it funny you would call this a lie....

I'd call it dumb. They could have done this a number of different ways without creating this issue... but they didn't. But to call it a lie is to show you don't really understand the point behind the cover. (I'll give you a hint... the cover was about a larger issue, which impacts many children... it isn't about one crying kid).

victor809 wrote:




Word of the misinformation spread after the Honduran government and the girl’s father, Denis Valera, told Reuters that the girl was never separated from her mother. Both mother and daughter were detained together in McAllen, Texas—even as the picture became a powerful symbol representing the Trump administration’s controversial separation of families and was used to fundraise $17 million in donations for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-patrol-agent-involved-dramatic-photo-girl-crying-at-border-speaks-out/ 
“The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she taken from the scene,” wrote TIME in its correction. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.”


seems like they were lying to me, but if you say they weren't, why wouldn't I believe you?:-k
victor809
8 years ago
Ah... So the concern isn't the photo at all,but the story?

Ok. They were incorrect and they published a correction.

That doesn't have a lot of impact on the story itself, at least in my view, as that was an anecdote of a larger issue (kids being separated)... Does it matter if one specific one was or was not separated?

But you are correct. They lied in their initial story and they corrected themselves. Doesn't have a substantial impact on the news (unless you beli... But it was a lie.
victor809
8 years ago
This is why I don't like symbolism and anecdotes... It's completely valueless to a rational argument, and it allows people who may disagree with your position an opportunity to discredit it without actually having to discredit your argument.

Time and other "easy reading" magazines like to use symbolism and anecdotes because it's easy for ... Slower... People to feel emotionally bonded to an argument if there's a story behind it.

But the story is irrelevant.
The symbol is irrelevant.

The argument should be the facts of the issue as a whole. Not the facts surrounding a silly anecdote.
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