I'm smart enough to know that some homeless people (many of them actually) are homeless due to mental and physical disabilities that are caused by genetics....even some people's proclivity to addiction is passed on through genetics, but a smart guy like you would know that

RMAN4443 wrote:

OK.
You're right.
The democrat politicians are praising him every chance they get...

tailgater wrote:

As for numbers, it's odd that a guy who props up schooling as the end-all to intelligence should dismiss actual figures.
60MM people and ONE went berserk.
And you are telling us that he would not have gone berserk if Trump were not President.
And no one else would have gone berserk.
LOL!
Even the hard core birthers have nothing on you.

Hah... this post exactly translates to "I couldn't find anything"



First off... we've had more than one. Are you forgetting the others?

Second, we don't know. What do we know? We know that we have a president calling journalists "enemies of the people". Did that tip the scales for this guy? or would he have done this if trump stayed as a 3rd tier real estate mogul and 5th tier reality star? maybe. We can't predict what would have happened.

But how many times are you going to say he has no impact on it?

I mean.. somewhere along the lines a pattern starts to emerge.

And no. Your numbers are actually meaningless. If you want your numbers to actually have a meaning, you need to compare them to something. Do some math with it. Tell me that of the 60mm people, the amount of violence is normal by comparing it to 6 years ago or something.

victor809 wrote:

Trumps rhetoric might empower those who are criminally insane and could be categorized as white supremicists. Presidents don't act this way. I think that is relatively simple to understand.

Speyside wrote:

Mhmm... then you should also be smart enough to recognize that there are people with those genetic traits in the general population as well. Did I say anywhere we should kick all the addicts? Or is that just another illogical leap you chose to make to try to score points?

victor809 wrote:

But I don't have to prove anything here.
It is YOU who is stating that President Trump is the reason for the pipe bombing dude.

I'm not asking you to provide a researched dissertation. I'm just pointing out the obvious: that if you take ANY 60 million people there will be at least one wingnut bent on killing people.
Did Trump's mean words provide a target? Maybe.
But it's not WHY he did it. It's just WHO he targeted.

But you want to blame Trump.
Seems moronic. But who am I to stop you?

tailgater wrote:

Tail, I didn't say is, I said might. Are you saying it isn't possible that his rhetoric might empower a criminally insane white supremicist? Obviously this is pure hatred, but isn't it possible that the power of the presidents words might have mistakenly caused one of these monsters to act? I don't consider him responsible for these acts. But I do think he needs to be more measured with his words.

Speyside wrote:

Its very simple.
We have a lot of people. Some are crazy, and literally just a bad morning away from doing something stupid. Some are just waiting for a reason to do something stupid.

Maybe if trump weren't around some percentage would have been set off by someone else. But if just one of them chose to attack a bunch of people simply because the president of the united states told him there is an enemy within the country who he should attack.... that's one more than we would have had otherwise.

Some people are just looking for a good reason to kill. And you telling them someone needs to die isn't a good enough reason. But the president identifying someone as the enemy? That's a bit more of a reason.

victor809 wrote:

Let it be known that Speyside stated that if Trump were not President of the United States, then Ceasar the stripping terrorist might not have sent pipe bombs in the mail to anyone.


In an equally plausible reality, had I not named my dog Sadie, then Ceasar the stripping terrorist might not have made the pipe bombs to begin with.


It's a shame we'll never know.

Meanwhile I have to buy a book on dog names.

tailgater wrote:

how can you ever lose when you get to misrepresent the opposing view first?

frankj1 wrote:

You don't. Tail has been a student of the Victor school of argument lately. Not to be confused with the Monty Python Argument Clinic, but nearly as silly.

dstieger wrote: