Um .... I think propaganda worked on you. I read every one of your points just recently then saw them completely destroyed. You can find it yourself. I’m not interested in changing your predetermined open minded conclusion.

teedubbya wrote:

I will say this though. I have first hand experience with the fear certain communities have about the question. Not something I’ve read. It happened after 911 and I posted it in here then. By the way the DACA folks treatment is reason enough to distrust the government with that info.

As an aside, I have now spoken with 4 of my peers who have finished assignments in the boarder camps. Several different states including AZ, TX and I believe CA. One of theses folks is a close family friend. What the media is telling us about the camps is not only accurate but at times understated. She couldn’t stop crying Sunday when she was describing the conditions and some of the kids. Yet it’s important that we not listen to that propaganda like fake news and instead listen to dear leader.

Besides according to drafter Trump is only doing what Obama did. No difference. But Trump sure is tougher even though it’s no different. It’s the same but better and stuff.

We need to break out of this ****. Forget your party. It doesn’t really exist anymore.

teedubbya wrote:

By the way, this "fear" by certain communities to answer a question about citizenship is purely manufactured by the media.
The government has routinely requested this type of information.
Place of birth was on the census not too long ago.
And we still ask whether the person is Hispanic, which I find hilarious.

In recent times, the census was two forms: a short form that everyone got. And a long form that a smaller percentage received (about 1 in 6 is the figures I've seen).
the long form DID include citizenship.
As well as education level, native household language, and all sorts of other information completely unrelated to "simple population" that so many here claim is the SOLE purpose for the census.

Get over yourselves.
This is just hate propaganda fueled by anti trump media.

tailgater wrote:

I think they just worded the question wrong... it shoulda bee n 'Would you like free Amnesty'.... mission accomplished... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

I believe that even illegals and legal non citizen immigrants are protected by the Constitution.
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frankj1 wrote:

Seriously... The last 50 posts are misdirection.

The supreme Court ruled. The question is not whether the question should be allowed or is going to help one party over another.

The question is whether you're ok with the idiot in Chief directly disobeying the SC ruling

victor809 wrote:

So tell me HOW a citizenship question on a census form benefits the GOP.
Don't simply tell me how someone else said it.
And to me it doesn't matter if the author or strategist was conservative or liberal.

You stated your opinion as a fact. You said that the question benefits the GOP.
You didn't say "according to a NY Times article speaking about documents found after the death of Thomas Hofeller".
So tell us how you think it benefits the GOP.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.

Personally, I don't think the information benefits either party. But I can't tell you that it doesn't.
I keep hearing from those in the media with the same information that you're citing that it absolutely does. But other than making Trump look bad (worse?), it doesn't add up. Nobody has said HOW it benefits one political party over the other.
The information isn't being manipulated (which could influence politics). The truth is out there already, this is simply a collection of the data.

tailgater wrote:

Here horsey...here's some water....


from the article in the NY Times:

"Mr. Hofeller’s exhaustive analysis of Texas state legislative districts concluded that such maps “would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites,” and would dilute the political power of the state’s Hispanics.

The reason, he wrote, was that the maps would exclude traditionally Democratic Hispanics and their children from the population count. That would force Democratic districts to expand to meet the Constitution’s one person, one vote requirement. In turn, that would translate into fewer districts in traditionally Democratic areas, and a new opportunity for Republican mapmakers to create even stronger gerrymanders.

The strategy carried a fatal flaw, however: The detailed citizenship data that was needed to draw the maps did not exist. The only existing tally of voting-age citizens, Mr. Hofeller's study stated, came from a statistical sample of the population largely used by the Justice Department to verify that the 1965 Voting Rights Act was ensuring the voting rights of minority groups.

“Without a question on citizenship being included on the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire,” Mr. Hofeller wrote, “the use of citizen voting age population is functionally unworkable.”

Roughly 16 months later, as President-elect Trump prepared to take office, Mr. Hofeller urged Mr. Trump’s transition team to consider adding a citizenship question to the census, the transition official responsible for census issues, Mark Neuman, said last year in a deposition in the Manhattan census lawsuit.

delta1 wrote:

if by not too long ago you mean 70 years, or just 4 years after the end of WWII, yeah, not long ago. (words matter)

The question was place of birth. A tiny fraction of a per cent were asked about citizenship. In remote areas where canvassers took info, they then could ask about citizenship if place of birth was not USA as a verbal response.
It was soon dropped. Not needed for the express purpose of the 10 year Census per the Constitution.

The other info was also superfluous to the intended 10 year count...unless I have missed the outrage calling for their return to the form as well. Are you saying we need data cuz it's data on income, education et al once again? If not, why not?

So different eras have different political frenzies that shape not just media reporting but citizens' emotions too. And almost always lead to some demand for the Gov to take action. This is such a time, and Trump is leading the emotional parade this time...the side demanding the change, demanding Government act now.

Fresh off WWII, when the world and our way of life was truly under attack and heroically averted, a breeding ground was born for The Commie Conspiracy/Red Fear/Russian Spies infiltrating crap, this allowed McCarthyism to damage our country around when the citizenship question was last considered remotely important. This is an example of this fervor and how it works on the minds of those buying in. ..

This stuff is often accompanied by start-up trends toward isolationism and fear of the press.

And now, a short time later (70 years...HA!) Latin immigration.


It Can't Happen Here was written in 1935.

frankj1 wrote: