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izonfire
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7 years ago

#81

aren't olives black and green?

frankj1 wrote:

As are African American environmentalists

frankj1
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7 years ago

#82

As are African American environmentalists

izonfire wrote:

Speyside
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7 years ago

#83

Kalimata Outrage!!!

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#84

Pimiento chuckers

izonfire
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7 years ago

#85

Kalimata Outrage!!!

Speyside wrote:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

We’ve been oppressed by that overprotective bitch for years. So much so, that it feels legendary...
_____

Logged back in specifically to address this. After I had decided to shut it down.
Don’t think for a moment that I appreciate you, your thoughts or humor though.
That would be presumptuous
_____

Ha ha! We’re gettin a herf in before I leave the state. That’s for damn sure.
And I will always be in the area. Occasionally 😰

Edited by user 7 years ago | Reason: Not specified

izonfire
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7 years ago

#86

Pimiento chuckers

teedubbya wrote:

Not at all.

Pimiento is just icing on the cake. Assuming that pimiento is icing and olives are cake...
Which makes no fucquin sense at all. Scratch that

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#87

The more I look at this the more I’m convinced if it walks and talks like a white nationalist it just might be a white nationalist. I’d be more interested in separating myself from anyone parroting or supporting white nationalists than trying to separate this but bag from the white nationalists.

I’m going to go on a limb here. I think the white nationalists and their movement are sort of bad and I want nothing to do with them. Anywhere I overlap with their ideas is an area I probably need to re-examine. If some of my language mirrors theirs I may want to take a look at that too.

But we all have our own comfort levels.

teedubbya wrote:

Are you ok with us applying that to, say, Muslim terrorists? Like when ilhan omar refers to the worst terrorist attack in American history as some people doing some things, you've got no problem with us saying walks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist, looks like a terrorist? Shes reading the same book, going to the same mosques, using a lot of the same language...

Same could go for evangelical Christians and those child molesting Catholics... Let's ignore the differences, lump em all together and burn em at the stake.... Easier than thinking...

Kinda disappointing tw... I expected you to be more open minded...

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#88

Not truly relevant for future attacks.
Each one of these guys is a special little snowflake...
To paraphrase Tolstoy and happy families, each of these mass murderers is crazy in his own way.

If we figure out that this one is unhappy about the environment and figures focusing on shooting immigrants is going to fix that, it doesn't help us prevent the next shooting. Because the next shooter will be unhappy about plummeting sales of tiki torches and think shooting Jews will fix that. And the one after will be unhappy about lack of coal jobs and think shooting the gays will fix that.

The commonality is very simple... They want to take their rage out on some group if "others". The details that make up their rage is irrelevant, because the next shooter (and there will be a lot of next shooters) will have different details.

victor809 wrote:

You're literally saying that because each of these crazies has such a different set of screwed up ideologies that it's irrelevant what those ideologies are in terms of preventing future attacks...

And then out the other side of your mouth, you're adamant that he be labeled a white supremacist so that you can link him to the ideologies of past shooters and the current president...

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#89

Opel yes. I think any person whose Venn diagram of thoughts and rhetoric overlaps with extremists groups of any kind need to take a closer look at things. So yes I would apply it to your examples. Fix it don’t accept it.

And no I’m not talking about breathing or if they like spray cheese. That’s just stupid.

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#90

And no one is talking about burning at the stake. A bit extreme.

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#91

If someone is comfortable with their rhetoric and political philosophy lining up with white nationalists in many ways that’s their deal. And yes I will judge them based on it and draw the conclusions that while they may not be a dues paying white nationalist I don’t really want much to do with them.

Everyone’s comfort level is different. I’m simply talking about my own. I’ll say it outright if your values and rhetoric mirror those of white nationalists to any substantive degree and you are ok with that I want nothing to do with you. You can’t hide behind it or silently feed them. Ignorance is another issue.

So yea I’m not tolerant. Im ok with that.

Edited by user 7 years ago | Reason: Not specified

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#92

I’m also ok if anyone disagrees with me. We all need to be comfortable with ourselves.

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#93

teedubbya wrote:

Where do you think extremist groups come from? Other extremist groups? Or maybe groups that are far less extreme - rational even - but share similar ideologies?

My thinking has always been that radical Islamprobably came from a form of the religion that wasn't radical, hence the similarities in their ideology... Are you saying that's not how it happened or that we simply shouldn't care, lump them all together and treat them the same?

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#94

I’m also ok if anyone disagrees with me. We all need to be comfortable with ourselves.

teedubbya wrote:

I'd be a lot more comfortable if I thought you were wearing pants while you typed that...

frankj1
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7 years ago

#95

I'd be a lot more comfortable if I thought you were wearing pants while you typed that...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

did you post this or the foreskin op first?

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#96

did you post this or the foreskin op first?

frankj1 wrote:

Tw's not the only one multi tasking this morning...

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#97

I see what you are saying. I think you are saying just because a terrorist is Muslim and claim they carry out their deeds in the name of Islam, islam itself is not bad. I get that and it is thought provoking. And many in here do not agree. I find them wrong.

I also find it a false equivalence to an extent. I find Islam to be a legitimate religion that grew out of Christianity and Judaism and find that the terrorists pervert it. And I do expect true Muslims to denounce it and try to save the good name of their religion. Distance themselves.

I find the white nationalists situation to be near the opposite. Rather than perverting some legitimate movement or religion it’s the other way around. They didn’t grow out of something legitimate and their rhetoric is being co opted rather than vice versa.

Edited by user 7 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Speyside
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7 years ago

#98

So here is my quandary. What legitamizes mass murder in these peoples minds? Is there a commonality to be found? If someone is a white supremicist fine, that is their right to be do. If someone is an Islamic fundamentalist fine, that is their right to be so. It is also my right to have nothing to do with and to despise them. But what is the underlying cause of their radicalization? Can we eliminate that?

teedubbya
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7 years ago

#99

The funny part is I think white nationalism only factors in to one of the shootings this week. It’s clearly not the be all end all or primary cause other than in El Paso.

But if your rhetoric mirrors that of white nationalists I’d spend more time changing it than rationalizing it.

opelmanta1900
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7 years ago

#100

8ch is down in the aftermath of these shootings... They'll find a new dark corner I'm sure...

Would it be terrible to allow these people to spew their ignorance on Facebook and Twitter where everyone could see it for what it's worth?

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