teedubbya
7 years ago
Maybe Chris Hanson can set up a house to meet them in.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

I see what you are saying. I think you are saying just because a terrorist is Muslim and claim they carry out their deeds in the name of Islam, islam itself is not bad. I get that and it is thought provoking. And many in here do not agree. I find them wrong.

I also find it a false equivalence to an extent. I find Islam to be a legitimate religion that grew out of Christianity and Judaism and find that the terrorists pervert it. And I do expect true Muslims to denounce it and try to save the good name of their religion.

I find the white nationalists situation to be near the opposite. Rather than perverting some legitimate movement or religion it’s the other way around. They didn’t grow out of something legitimate and their rhetoric is being co opted rather than vice versa.

teedubbya wrote:


It's tough for me to articulate my thoughts on stuff like this... I was specifically speaking to the danger of your method of lumping all people of similar beliefs together, specifically because of people like non child molesting branches of the Christian faith and non blowing themselves up Muslims...

My only purpose in bringing that up is to say I think there are slight differences between the white nationalist movement and people who are anti immigration...

I do not believe there are good folk in the white nationalist movement who are simply misinformed.... I do believe that there are some decent folk who hold anti immigration views that are simply ignorant, not necessarily hateful or racist...

I don't like seeing the 2 movements lumped together and pushed to 8ch... I think that makes enables more ignorant people to go unchallenged...

teedubbya
7 years ago
I agree completely with your second to last paragraph.

That said white nationalists rhetoric is knowingly being used at the moment by anti immigration folks and our President. The white nationalists do not hide that they love it and the wink wink nudge nudge stuff is sick.

Rather than justify it change it and distance. You can be anti immigrant. The line is getting intentionally blurred.

teedubbya
7 years ago
Some of it with Trump May have even been ignorant. But when called on it to double down and continue, even though it’s just what he does, is unacceptable for a President and lumps the two groups.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Trump wants white nationalists support. I disagreed with W but by god he had integrity. Trump not so much.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Oh I almost forgot to add

But antifa, the press hypnotized me and Hillary and stuff.
teedubbya
7 years ago
Kidding aside I get what you are saying Opel and you do make some good points.
delta1
7 years ago
well ....Trump has condemned white supremacists, racism and mass murderers...is this another "very fine people...on both sides" moment?

he has undermined his ability to be perceived as Presidential because of his past un-Presidential behavior...

like the abusive spouse who verbally berates the partner for a couple of years, then apologizes and repudiates all the insults as the spouse is walking out the door...which one is genuine?
delta1
7 years ago
does "background checks for gun purchases" have anything to do with "immigration reform"?
dstieger
7 years ago

So here is my quandary. What legitamizes mass murder in these peoples minds?

Speyside wrote:



And, speycifically, what legitimizes it in this guy's mind?

He's not stupid. While there's some real problems with consistency, message and facts....the writing is mostly coherent and passable English. So, I sort of get a feel for what's going on in the guy's head...but I can't help but think that there's a pretty big disconnect between the thoughts and the action. I might look at it a little different if he were to join in some coalition or nationalist group with a strategic vision. But, he's smart enough to have known that killing some Mexicans was not likely to get this country on the track that he wants. So, while he might have meant much of what he wrote, I don't think its necessarily so directly connected to his actions Saturday.
Not only that, I don't believe that even a supremacist would be confident enough to shoot up a crowded Walmart confident that he'd only kill Hispanics.
And, didn't he surrender pretty easily?....even though he wrote about how that could not be considered a potential outcome....changed his mind? not going to overanalyze any more ....I just want to keep in my mind the disconnects before citing any of it for any reason
DrafterX
7 years ago
It will keep illegals from buying guns... 😟
DrafterX
7 years ago
But I heard Biden wants to give them all shotguns.. 😟
dstieger
7 years ago

if I had to guess? It's a fairly poor area from what I understand and probably not as many armed patrons as would be normal in other areas of texas...
..

opelmanta1900 wrote:




Clearly, there's a personal protection inequity in East Texas. How can we live with ourselves unless we provide the means to practice Second Amendment rights to all persons, regardless of their ability to pay. Free handguns for all!
The safety of our poorest depends on it.
dstieger
7 years ago



Would it be terrible to allow these people to spew their ignorance on Facebook and Twitter where everyone could see it for what it's worth?

opelmanta1900 wrote:




IIRC, that's what Frank said
delta1
7 years ago

And, speycifically, what legitimizes it in this guy's mind?

He's not stupid. While there's some real problems with consistency, message and facts....the writing is mostly coherent and passable English. So, I sort of get a feel for what's going on in the guy's head...but I can't help but think that there's a pretty big disconnect between the thoughts and the action. I might look at it a little different if he were to join in some coalition or nationalist group with a strategic vision. But, he's smart enough to have known that killing some Mexicans was not likely to get this country on the track that he wants. So, while he might have meant much of what he wrote, I don't think its necessarily so directly connected to his actions Saturday.
Not only that, I don't believe that even a supremacist would be confident enough to shoot up a crowded Walmart confident that he'd only kill Hispanics.
And, didn't he surrender pretty easily?....even though he wrote about how that could not be considered a potential outcome....changed his mind? not going to overanalyze any more ....I just want to keep in my mind the disconnects before citing any of it for any reason

dstieger wrote:




brilliant
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

It will keep illegals from buying guns... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


...legally...
delta1
7 years ago
we shouldn't read the written crap that these loons write, nor should we publish it...it taps into their need for attention, and copycats will see that their writings have been published to millions of people in various media, further validating this MO as a way to gain notoriety by blasting a large number of innocent people so their self-important written thoughts could be exposed to the world....
dstieger
7 years ago

But I heard Biden wants to give them all shotguns.. 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Wow....didn't read this before I wrote the next post....looks like its time to give Biden some new consideration....great minds and all that
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

we shouldn't read the written crap that these loons write, nor should we publish it...it taps into their need for attention, and copycats will see that their writings have been published to millions of people in various media, further validating this MO as a way to gain notoriety by blasting a large number of innocent people so their self-important written thoughts could be exposed to the world....

delta1 wrote:



How's that been working out for us? We've been trying the "don't read this stuff" approach for a long time now... How do you feel about the results?

Personally, not really confident in the "ignore it and it'll go away" approach - the "it" in that sentence being the ideology of these perpetrators... Ignoring it is no form of deterrent... Publicly destroying it with logic might be...
Speyside
7 years ago
I think I might call them predators instead of perpetrators. I would like to think mental health intervention is an answer, but I doubt it is in the majority of the killings.
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