frankj1
7 years ago

Feds are very concerned about domestic terrorism, especially the embrace of white supremacy ideologies that promote hate and violence against minorities...opel mentioned 8ch...never heard of it until now... but CloudFair the company that provided server space for it just cancelled it because the company CEO was disturbed by what was happening there...but was OK until people got killed...

sure, exposing hateful rhetoric can cause pushback by decent folks...but it can also attract more followers...

and we all thought that we had ended the scourge of white supremacy when we defeated Nazi Germany nearly 75 years ago...what keeps that heart beating?

I don't know the answer...I'm a big supporter of the 1st Amendment and the freedoms we all enjoy...but I also don't have to subject myself to random thoughts by a proven idiot nutjob...heck, I hated to read poems written by high school classmates who were my friends...

maybe the price we pay for all these freedoms is the uncertainty that some freedom loving nutjob could take any of us out at any given moment...so treat every second as a precious gift...

delta1 wrote:


1) post 9/11 stats say that approximately the same number of lives have been lost on American soil to Islamic terrorism
as from loosely (if at all) connected groups of far right ideologists...102 and 109 since 2002.

However, the Feds do not spend anything even close to the same in terms of money. weapons, manpower, intelligence efforts...and the position of top counterterrorism adviser was downgraded last year so that they no longer report directly to the president (from interview with Lisa Monaco who held that position under Obama).

The point is not if right wing or left wing fringe lunatics are worse than the other side, it's that the Feds are not nearly as concerned about domestic terrorism.

2) I may be in the vast minority (until recent events) but I have known for a long time that Jewish watchdog groups that keep tabs on the up and down activity of nazi and other superiority style hate groups' activity has been met with yawns for years...have even heard/read irritated pleas for the Jews to stop using their bleating to create guilt about a "dead" issue.
So I never thought it was eradicated.

Constant vigilance is the only way to protect the freedoms we don't always like to bestow on others...their freedom to think and say is protected...but not their painful or murderous actions.

I may edit after posting as my thoughts were flooded, so hold off for a minute or two...
frankj1
7 years ago
I'm good with it.
opelmanta1900
7 years ago

I don’t know about the you tube research but recent hearings with the fbi and a few other national security heads suggest the opposite. Ive not seen any of them suggest it’s peaked and waining. In fact they say the opposite.

And the usual caveat for the folks that don’t want to think so suggest media brainwashing on everyone but them.... I’m one of the geeks that watches testimony and reads transcripts. I also read a lot of regs. It’s a weird thing.

teedubbya wrote:


Why is the fbi meeting with flat earth people?
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Crazy I know, I can’t say that!!!! 20k laws have done so much though, I bet I’m not licking boots he’d enough. Frank what laws stop criminals?

A study that talks post 911 I wonder why. Resources? I wonder how many incidents were AVERTED. Because I can tell you incidents the other way got worse DUE TO FBI involvement to get stats.....

Do you understand psychopaths?

We’ve both voted for them
frankj1
7 years ago

Crazy I know, I can’t say that!!!! 20k laws have done so much though, I bet I’m not licking boots he’d enough. Frank what laws stop criminals?

A study that talks post 911 I wonder why. Resources? I wonder how many incidents were AVERTED. Because I can tell you incidents the other way got worse DUE TO FBI involvement to get stats.....

Do you understand psychopaths?

We’ve both voted for them

ZRX1200 wrote:


chit, man. you can say anything to me.

we could always allow law enforcement to randomly stop and frisk, or search houses etc in our search for safety.
But then we'd have the freedom of your typical Putin supporter. Oops, I meant Fatty fat, oops, I did it again.

I'm not sure laws are preventive, but I don't think throwing in jay walking in a discussion like this does more than obscure the specifics here.

and at this point, I must confess that I'd have to reread the thread to remember what point I am defending.
My last drink tasted like...another.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
LMAO I wasn’t talking about jaywalking, I was talking about ANY infraction really. People still break the law, and the law itself is an enforcement action and punishment itself does more with the repercussions than a “law”. I know the internet is a scary place especially with ol’ Z around......


Ты не любишь путина?
frankj1
7 years ago
fatty can hit the high notes
frankj1
7 years ago
how many lives have been saved by anarchy?

don't think this means I'm sober, but it came to me so I typed it.
victor809
7 years ago



maybe the price we pay for all these freedoms is the uncertainty that some freedom loving nutjob could take any of us out at any given moment...so treat every second as a precious gift...

delta1 wrote:



This.

We hold our lives too precious.
victor809
7 years ago

Why is the fbi meeting with flat earth people?

opelmanta1900 wrote:



I think tw got confused between our talk regarding flat earthers and neo nazis.... to be fair we were all over the place. I sorta just let him run with it.
izonfire
7 years ago
If they share any similarities in ideologies, then they’re all Nazis
teedubbya
7 years ago
Yea I didn’t think you were talking flat earthers... missed that part.

I take no issue with them since they are right and stuff
delta1
7 years ago
FBI and DoJ recently announced the serious threat of domestic terrorism/violence to the US by white supremacist organizations...full circle...we're back to where we were pre-9-1-1...


RMAN4443
7 years ago
So, we're back to where it was , way way before Trump entered the race...:-k
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