Buckwheat
7 years ago

My thoughts exactly. This country is on the precipice of a vast change. One which will most likely relegate both parties to the dumpster of history. I believe the election of Trump and all the heated rhetoric happening right now is the death rattle of the old system. The Millennials and Gen Z are just waiting for the Boomers and Gen X to die so they can reform the country the way they want it. I say more power to them and I look forward to living long enough to see the beginnings of what they can do. I truly believe Trump will be the last "Republican" President and the Dems are not far behind them.

JadeRose wrote:



Good points. Both parties would rather destroy our country than give up power.

I think the fundamental flaw with the electoral college is that in most states it's winner take all for electors. I think it makes more sense to have a proportionate number of electors based on the popular vote in each state. I'd also like to see a national law on how elections are to be held in all fifty states. Currently, each state sets out the rules on how elections are to be done. Both of these things would require amendments to to constitution. Never going to happen IMO.

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MACS
7 years ago

She isn't anything special. Appears to be within the average intelligence range at least.

victor809 wrote:



You can NOT be serious. She's dumber than a box of rocks.
teedubbya
7 years ago
That she isn’t. She’s more successful than most of us in here at a much earlier age. I disagree with virtually all of her positions but she’s definitely not dumb. My guess is her iq is higher than most in here.
victor809
7 years ago

You can NOT be serious. She's dumber than a box of rocks.

MACS wrote:



Provide evidence that she is.
tailgater
7 years ago


“Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs,”


I've done the math.

She's wrong.


MACS
7 years ago

Provide evidence that she is.

victor809 wrote:



Again, you can't be serious. Just listen to her speak.

She didn't know what a garbage disposal was?
The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don't go with the green new deal and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?
There are more people concerned with being factually, semantically and precisely correct than about being morally right?
Three chambers of congress... the presidency, the senate and the house... when what she really meant was 3 branches of gov't, executive, legislative, and judicial?
She thought she'd be "inaugurated" and not sworn in...

She's absolutely frickin stupid.
victor809
7 years ago

Again, you can't be serious. Just listen to her speak.

She didn't know what a garbage disposal was?
The world is gonna end in 12 years if we don't go with the green new deal and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?
There are more people concerned with being factually, semantically and precisely correct than about being morally right?
Three chambers of congress... the presidency, the senate and the house... when what she really meant was 3 branches of gov't, executive, legislative, and judicial?
She thought she'd be "inaugurated" and not sworn in...

She's absolutely frickin stupid.

MACS wrote:



She put together research project on the impact of antioxidants on roundworms. Not the most in-depth scientific concept, but probably involves at least 3 words you don't know.

She got some sort of academic fellowship while at college. Not impossible, but requires some academic success.

She went to Boston University... not a top tier school, but ranked 42. She had no connections or money to get in.

She graduated **** laude from said university. So she actually did her work and got good grades. Again, not a sign of brilliance, but given that she had no connections, no rich parents, it indicates academic capabilities.

You can claim she's an idiot for her saying some dumb things. Hell, I say trump's an idiot for saying dumb things.
The difference is she also has some indicators that those are actually gaffes and not because she has an underlying lack of understanding of the system. And more importantly, her college record would indicate that she has an ability to learn when new information is presented to her.

I'm guessing she's already learned from all the mistakes she made above, and you're not going to see her tweet things like "it is supposed to be 'inaugurated' not "sworn in" it's the fake news that's telling you otherwise. I have an article 2 that means it's 'inaugurated'!"

But you think she's an idiot. But you also don't seem to ever notice when trump has similar gaffes. I understand... it's hard to notice those because they come so rarely. I mean... 4 or 5 times a day is practically never, and way more infrequently than her.

I suspect you would have difficulty accomplishing what she did academically.
izonfire
7 years ago
She can make me a drink
delta1
7 years ago
the perception that AOC is unfavorable in her own district is a con fantasy, fake news, perpetuated by Trump ... so his followers and right wing media believe it must be true...

here are the facts:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/campaigns/ocasio-cortez-still-popular-district-despite-unfavorable-nationally 

seems her own voters actually like her...
teedubbya
7 years ago
Well they did just vote her in... so probably

And dislike her politics all you like but she’s prolly a lot smarter than some calling her dumb.
dstieger
7 years ago
Holy FLUCKKK....a Congressperson who said something stupid?!?!? Impeach her!!

I won't likely ever agree with any position she takes.
But, she is passionate. She seems to care about issues.
She is connected to her 'base' or 'fans' or 'voters'....like nobody I've ever seen in Congress.
She may not seem to respect the 'old ways of doing things' in the Capitol...but who here has any respect for the ten termers who are content doing things the old way in Washington????

I get that any Republican would disagree with her. I don't get how we got the point where Republicans need to have someone to get riled up about...to make fun of....to hate. Trump didn't get us here. I think it was more like Rush and Hannity and the sort. Ailes or somebody figured its easier to get the base energized around hate or animosity than around support for stuff we care about. I bet that AOC, Omar and Tlaib get more coverage on Fox News than any twenty Republicans other than Trump. That's nuts.
If she's so stupid and ignorant and undeserving of her seat....then why expend any oxygen on her at all?

victor809
7 years ago

Holy FLUCKKK....a Congressperson who said something stupid?!?!? Impeach her!!

I won't likely ever agree with any position she takes.
But, she is passionate. She seems to care about issues.
She is connected to her 'base' or 'fans' or 'voters'....like nobody I've ever seen in Congress.
She may not seem to respect the 'old ways of doing things' in the Capitol...but who here has any respect for the ten termers who are content doing things the old way in Washington????

I get that any Republican would disagree with her. I don't get how we got the point where Republicans need to have someone to get riled up about...to make fun of....to hate. Trump didn't get us here. I think it was more like Rush and Hannity and the sort. Ailes or somebody figured its easier to get the base energized around hate or animosity than around support for stuff we care about. I bet that AOC, Omar and Tlaib get more coverage on Fox News than any twenty Republicans other than Trump. That's nuts.
If she's so stupid and ignorant and undeserving of her seat....then why expend any oxygen on her at all?

dstieger wrote:



I'm not likely to agree with her on most of her policies either. Despite what most here would love to believe, I don't generally agree with the democrats, and may have been a republican if the republican party had not turned into such a sh$tshow. I never agreed with a number of the democratic party platforms. In fact almost across the board I disagree with the democrats when it comes to where the government spends its money. However, it isn't like the republicans have actually offered any sort of logical fiscal policy either (no, "cut taxes" isn't any more an intelligent fiscal policy than "forgive all student loans" is). But the republicans seem to be obsessed with demagoguery. There's always an enemy, always someone who they have to hate, always a demon, always something to be afraid of. It's nonsense and I simply cannot get behind that. I find that concept much more dangerous for our country than any policy decisions ever could be.
borndead1
7 years ago
I don't think she's dumb. Ignorance and inexperience does not automatically equal stupidity.

I do find it funny that Trumpers think she's stupid. That's hilarious.
frankj1
7 years ago
a couple of years ago everyone was proclaiming the desire to overturn the status quo in D.C.
Get outsiders inside and shake it up.

Trump is loved for this here.
But any Dems who did the same are stoopid idiots.

She didn't beat a newcomer for the party nomination, she beat an entrenched incumbent...absolutely almost nevah happens in either party.

This is what shaking it up looks like people!
No one said to shake it up but it has to be the same old ideas.

anyone want to change their mind now?

(and I am not a dem nor an automatic supporter)
JadeRose
7 years ago
I think her politics are pretty far out there but I LOVE the idea of her and all the other young people (mostly women) going into politics to stir $hit up. If they are pissing off old white dudes, they are doing ok
DrafterX
7 years ago
I seen her boobs once.... 😟
tailgater
7 years ago

a couple of years ago everyone was proclaiming the desire to overturn the status quo in D.C.
Get outsiders inside and shake it up.

Trump is loved for this here.
But any Dems who did the same are stoopid idiots.

She didn't beat a newcomer for the party nomination, she beat an entrenched incumbent...absolutely almost nevah happens in either party.

This is what shaking it up looks like people!
No one said to shake it up but it has to be the same old ideas.

anyone want to change their mind now?

(and I am not a dem nor an automatic supporter)

frankj1 wrote:




I think the people who want her out are expressing their opinion on what she stands for.
I don't think anyone is turned off by her passion.

But her style of "shaking it up" is akin to "change for the sake of change" with no realistic substance.

I agree that much of her perceived stupid-ness are simply gaffs. But I don't consider her "intelligent" simply by virtue of academia. Many people who achieve success in schooling are virtually brain dead in the real world. And vice-versa.

Let her propose REAL solutions with her elected status.
Not outrageous propositions intended solely to poke the POTUS and win favor by doing so.

Face it. Her claim to fame is the Green New Deal.
That's as far fetched as creating a Space Force for crying out loud...


frankj1
7 years ago

I think the people who want her out are expressing their opinion on what she stands for.
I don't think anyone is turned off by her passion.

But her style of "shaking it up" is akin to "change for the sake of change" with no realistic substance.

I agree that much of her perceived stupid-ness are simply gaffs. But I don't consider her "intelligent" simply by virtue of academia. Many people who achieve success in schooling are virtually brain dead in the real world. And vice-versa.

Let her propose REAL solutions with her elected status.
Not outrageous propositions intended solely to poke the POTUS and win favor by doing so.

Face it. Her claim to fame is the Green New Deal.
That's as far fetched as creating a Space Force for crying out loud...


tailgater wrote:


I'm not really current on her stuff, but I am half aware of the Green thing.
Strikes me as something that makes her more mainstream with several entrenched Dems in the House and Senate, not an example of shaking it up.

I lean toward Jade's opinion and might add that making us old white guys uncomfortable is what shaking it up means.

What did people expect when they asked for radical changes?
What stability with well thought out proposals and explanations of how to achieve them has the Shaker-in-Chief uttered?
That is not to knock him, just to point out that shaking can take different shapes.

USNGunner
7 years ago

I seen her boobs once.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Pictures or it never happened! 🇨🇮
tailgater
7 years ago

I'm not really current on her stuff, but I am half aware of the Green thing.
Strikes me as something that makes her more mainstream with several entrenched Dems in the House and Senate, not an example of shaking it up.

I lean toward Jade's opinion and might add that making us old white guys uncomfortable is what shaking it up means.

What did people expect when they asked for radical changes?
What stability with well thought out proposals and explanations of how to achieve them has the Shaker-in-Chief uttered?
That is not to knock him, just to point out that shaking can take different shapes.

frankj1 wrote:



So she was elected to shake up old white men ?
that's change for change sake, and that's rarely a good thing.

She's not my elected official so I only see the headlines.
Based on those she's a lunatic, but I'm sure she's a bit more stable on some occasions.



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