tailgater
6 years ago

The answer to that question is ridiculously long.
That you would ask that question suggests you wouldn't believe the answer.

I don't know if anyone else wants to waste time on answering...

victor809 wrote:



Although it must pain you to hear this, you are not Speyside.

So for once in your life, STFU.

tailgater
6 years ago

Some reading would answer it if there was a legitimate quest for the answer.

teedubbya wrote:



Why do you guys feel the need to answer for brother Spey?

You can join victor in the corner.

Please refrain from sex.

tailgater
6 years ago

Good job

teedubbya wrote:



I said behave.
tailgater
6 years ago
To you imbeciles that feel the question I ask is invalid, please re-read it.

A statement was made: Trump's actions and/or inaction equates to failure.

Nothing quantitative. Just subjective opinion.

So I asked the author to define success.

Stop thinking that this board needs to hear from you on every subject Karen.



victor809
6 years ago
As stated before, your question has been answered in a number of different ways at a number of different steps along the way.

Rephrasing from "not a failure" to "define success" doesn't really change anything.

You haven't seen the answer yet, you won't see it when someone reiterates it specifically for you.

Pretending the only person who can give you this answer is Spey is... juvenile at best.
tailgater
6 years ago

As stated before, your question has been answered in a number of different ways at a number of different steps along the way.

Rephrasing from "not a failure" to "define success" doesn't really change anything.

You haven't seen the answer yet, you won't see it when someone reiterates it specifically for you.

Pretending the only person who can give you this answer is Spey is... juvenile at best.

victor809 wrote:




You had a chance to not be an imbecile.

You blew it.





victor809
6 years ago
Nice touch btw, calling people "imbeciles" when you're the one asking a ridiculously intentionally obtuse question.
victor809
6 years ago
BTW, tail, so you don't have to look it up

Obtuse: annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
tailgater
6 years ago
So let's be clear.

According to victor since a subject has been brought up previously and opinions have been stated, one should not ask a specific person to answer a question in regards to a statement they make.

Do you even hear yourself?
The person who has given new meaning to the term ad nauseam is telling other people when they can or can't ask a question.

Holy f'king sh*t you're stupid.

tailgater
6 years ago

BTW, tail, so you don't have to look it up

Obtuse: annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

victor809 wrote:



I'm glad your parent's term of endearment haven't gone to waste.

victor809
6 years ago

So let's be clear.

According to victor since a subject has been brought up previously and opinions have been stated, one should not ask a specific person to answer a question in regards to a statement they make.

Do you even hear yourself?
The person who has given new meaning to the term ad nauseam is telling other people when they can or can't ask a question.

Holy f'king sh*t you're stupid.

tailgater wrote:



Mhmmm. This isn't "a subject" This has been 98.2% of all news coverage the past 2 weeks.

You aren't actually looking for an answer. Nothing anyone says to answer your question would be accepted. Don't get all butthurt because I'm pointing that out.

You want to pretend you haven't been exposed to any number of news articles identifying things twitler did wrong in his response to the pandemic. And now you are pretending you don't understand the concept of "do the opposite of that." or "do the thing they criticized him for not doing".

It's tiring under the best conditions. This little play acting you're doing now strains credibility to the breaking point.
Brewha
6 years ago

I'm curious how you define "fail" in this case.

What would a different leader have done that wouldn't be considered failure?

tailgater wrote:


In fairness, the crisis is still at hand and on going. Lots of time to succeed or fail.

So far, the decision to act early, give consistent information and be aligned with scientific experts has been consummate failures on his part. Called it a hoax, did.

A better leader would have acted early, been aligned with experts and not shot his mouth off like an idiot.
HockeyDad
6 years ago
When Trump shut down all flights from China, was that a leader acting early or xenophobic?

I can’t recall.
victor809
6 years ago

When Trump shut down all flights from China, was that a leader acting early or xenophobic?

I can’t recall.

HockeyDad wrote:



Neither, since that wasn't what he did.

He shut down travel from china for non US citizens.

US citizens were still able to fly to and from china, including Wuhan. There was no quarantine time following return for US citizens.

Hell, I flew to and from China in mid January, just the week before the entire country went into lockdown. I traveled through multiple airports in China, two different cities, shared family style meals with a ton of people and when I returned there was no issues re-entering the country.

hell, one of the early COVID cases in the midwest was from a traveler through ORD the same day I went through.

Given that a virus does not understand the concept of nationality, only closing a border to citizens of a specific country, not all travelers from that country, is basically useless.
HockeyDad
6 years ago
You were safe flying there in January because that was impeachment month and that kept the virus contained.


January 31st

The Trump administration on Friday dramatically escalated its response to the fast-spreading coronavirus epidemic by announcing quarantines and major travel restrictions that officials said were meant to limit contagion.

The measures, which could affect thousands of people around the world, represented a marked expansion of the federal government’s response after initially downplaying potential risks.

The White House declared a “public health emergency” and — beginning on Sunday at 5 p.m. — will bar non-U.S. citizens who recently visited China from entering the United States, subject to a few exemptions. Shortly after the White House announced the new restrictions and said there were six confirmed U.S. cases, a seventh case was confirmed in Santa Clara County, Calif.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar also said the Trump administration would quarantine any Americans who had visited China’s Hubei province, where the disease originated, within the past 14 days. The government will also require screening and self-quarantines for all other Americans who recently visited any other parts of China. Officials said the self-quarantine rules would require individuals to stay in their homes for a certain length of time, monitor themselves for certain symptoms such as coughing, and check their temperatures and report them to local health officials.


tailgater
6 years ago

Mhmmm. This isn't "a subject" This has been 98.2% of all news coverage the past 2 weeks.

You aren't actually looking for an answer. Nothing anyone says to answer your question would be accepted. Don't get all butthurt because I'm pointing that out.

You want to pretend you haven't been exposed to any number of news articles identifying things twitler did wrong in his response to the pandemic. And now you are pretending you don't understand the concept of "do the opposite of that." or "do the thing they criticized him for not doing".

It's tiring under the best conditions. This little play acting you're doing now strains credibility to the breaking point.

victor809 wrote:



I'm not asking Karen from the internet.
I was asking the same person who introduced an opinion about Trump failing.
The fact that you refuse to admit this shows your burning desire to be nothing better than a troll.
tailgater
6 years ago

In fairness, the crisis is still at hand and on going. Lots of time to succeed or fail.

So far, the decision to act early, give consistent information and be aligned with scientific experts has been consummate failures on his part. Called it a hoax, did.

A better leader would have acted early, been aligned with experts and not shot his mouth off like an idiot.

Brewha wrote:



An honest answer, thank you.
But I'm truly not asking for a consensus here.
I was asking Speyside.



victor809
6 years ago

You were safe flying there in January because that was impeachment month and that kept the virus contained.


January 31st

The Trump administration on Friday dramatically escalated its response to the fast-spreading coronavirus epidemic by announcing quarantines and major travel restrictions that officials said were meant to limit contagion.

The measures, which could affect thousands of people around the world, represented a marked expansion of the federal government’s response after initially downplaying potential risks.

The White House declared a “public health emergency” and — beginning on Sunday at 5 p.m. — will bar non-U.S. citizens who recently visited China from entering the United States, subject to a few exemptions. Shortly after the White House announced the new restrictions and said there were six confirmed U.S. cases, a seventh case was confirmed in Santa Clara County, Calif.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar also said the Trump administration would quarantine any Americans who had visited China’s Hubei province, where the disease originated, within the past 14 days. The government will also require screening and self-quarantines for all other Americans who recently visited any other parts of China. Officials said the self-quarantine rules would require individuals to stay in their homes for a certain length of time, monitor themselves for certain symptoms such as coughing, and check their temperatures and report them to local health officials.


HockeyDad wrote:



Mhmm... notice the travel restrictions. "non-us citizens".
US citizens required to "self-quarantine".

Honestly, I don't expect much more, given that our country is based on personal freedoms, but that's not a very effective travel restriction. Means Le Hockey Dad can fly to Wuhan, get the 'rona, come back to the Bay Area and be told to stay in his home for "a certain length of time". He'll ignore it, because rules are for the poors, and go to grab a beer somewhere and taa-daa, virus!

Self quarantines are BS. We already saw people breaking those.

I honestly don't expect more, which is why I never criticized him for his travel restrictions. But he doesn't deserve a gold star for them either. Travel restrictions are only effective if they are for people of all nationalities, or involve government enforced quarantines. Anything less is just pretending to do something.
victor809
6 years ago

I'm not asking Karen from the internet.
I was asking the same person who introduced an opinion about Trump failing.
The fact that you refuse to admit this shows your burning desire to be nothing better than a troll.

tailgater wrote:



And I was just preemptively pointing out you had zero interest in an actual answer.
The actual answer is available daily on every news source (except maybe OANN).
The actual answer changes daily, as twitler does something new and dangerous to our population on a daily basis (maybe every 48hrs if he gets distracted by a shiny object).
If you're going to pretend that of all the information out there, you have somehow not come across any information that indicates to you twitler has done a substandard job until you just happened across a thread on a discount cigar forum and you're shocked to hear that twitler is not succeeding at getting us through this issue, then why should we take you seriously?
HockeyDad
6 years ago
It seems pretty drastic to order all that with just 6 cases in the US. Maybe it could even be considered that he did act early and was aligned with the experts. Maybe.

The opposition narrative was he was xenophobic. Plenty of evidence of that on this forum. ....and from that moment the novel coronavirus was weaponized.

As for self quarantines, shelter in place, putting NY on pause, safer at home, etc you’re just hoping the American people listen. Otherwise we have to get out the bayonets to enforce it. (Pitchforks and torches suck against bayonets)

While typing this I just got an emergency alert broadcast that my county and the San Francisco Bay Area has extended the shelter in place order until May 3.




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