The problem is that scenario doesn't prove anything. First of it all has everyone been tested repeatedly for a couple weeks? Symptoms don't mean much when the asymptomatic spread is what it is. Secondly what stage of the disease was he in and when. Where did he get it? Were there any precautions in place at all? Were folks washing hands, wearing masks etc. What number of people was he closer than 6 feet to and unprotected Etc.

We are finding it is MORE contagious than first thought but it isn't as if this dude shows up at the plant and all over the next few weeks the refrigeration trucks get filled. Going on symptoms is meaningless. We need the tests. By the time you figure out it is rampant in your area it will be too late going by what I see. It's creeper weed LOL

I am curious how many folks we are talking about had contact with him and how many have been tested.

I can trace it to a narrative among certain entertainment news outlets rather than combing through the data in any meaningful way.

Just to continue news based discussion of the topic.... why isn't this discussed more than Sweden who is the darling of some media outlets as was poor Boris until it failed. Remember the same outlets pushed malaria drugs.... what do you have to lose.... its an interview on Ingram... why would they lie? etc.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/27/845304917/new-zealand-says-it-has-won-battle-against-covid-19 

Edit: Caveat.... screw Sweden and New Zealand I have no idea what is really going on there nor do you regardless of what the networks are telling us to think.

the conservative media is promoting what would be best for businesses and corporate interests, without regard for the working people upon whom many of those businesses rely for their work forces...their advocacy does not include data from educated medical experts and practitioners ...and seems to avoid the actual human toll this pandemic has caused, in just the opening round...

hardly ever see any epidemiologist, emergency medical practitioners, public health experts or scientists who've studied pandemics in conservative media advocating for business as usual...only conservative economists, aligned with industry, and political opinion generators and shapers...they all tout their anti government, anti science, anti social contracts beliefs...it is this pro personal liberty and freedom and let everyone fend for themselves philosophy which allows big business and corporate interests to thrive and prosper...

then the media on the left seem to have a glut of gloom and doom scientists, public health experts, epidemiologists, emergency medical practitioners, and give constant updates on the numbers of infected people and the deaths, and all the bad things the virus does to the human body if you're lucky to survive...all from the perspective that we as a society are in this together and can better protect each individual if we band together and do what is in the interests of the society...barely acknowledging the disastrous effect on businesses and corporate interests...

who do you believe? those who care about businesses....... or those who care about people's health?

We aren’t suffering the cost of mitigation. Just some people are. 15% unemployment still means 85% working.

The cost of mitigation is real to some. The benefit of mitigation is theoretical. People still go to work. People still shop. The Wuham is still spreading just maybe not as fast. Maybe.

I was bringing up Sweden as a means to contrast because they did not lock everyone in their houses. I was asking a question rather than making a statement, as I have not followed how they have fared with letting people be free to make their own decisions.

I think we went to far on some things and we can ease up on others. And we need to take risks. We cant stay like this much longer. But we should do so with reality and real information not the blitz to gloss over the facts.

A good negotiation or decision tree establishes facts rather than trying to blur them prior to making decisions.

** is it a coincidence that the tinyurl maker ended this url in oy vehy?

I was joking. Bad sarcasm. They are still hot though right?

I shouldn't have directed that at you MACS. But why did you choose Sweden? Where did you hear about them and what did you here?

Just bustin on ya. Did you read the NZ piece. They clamped down.

They appear the be "voluntarily" social distancing. Surveys apparently put public transportation at a reduction, and people are self reporting that they stay 1M apart. The numbers don't appear to be going up for them, but they also aren't going down. Time will only tell if that was a good decision or not.

Numbers say their infection rate (per MM) isn't particularly good or bad. Their fatalities are higher, and reports are they are only testing people who show severe symptoms (this would account for higher fatality rate).

No one knows. They certainly aren't really any closer to herd immunity than anyone else... even with reduced testing they are only running about 2k cases/1MM people. Double that... triple that... multiply it by 10... whatever you want to it, you're not near herd immunity.

They do still have some restrictions, no groups of more than 50 being one of them. Schools, bars and restaurants still open.

Either way we get to potentially experience both if we open too soon. The only way to avoid that would have been to not make the original decision.