XL Pipeline Cancelled · Page 5

Ha! No, not me, can't speak for Greta though.

Just wanted to get it out there that those who worship the free enterprise over any gov't involvement are kidding themselves thinking the old fuel industries haven't been cashing in and out with gazillions of cash...that's IN and OUT.

I'm no more for creating unemployment than anyone else, but fear of change could cause disastrous harm if we think in terms of protecting oil/coal jobs as the reason to continue promoting industries rounding third and heading home. Short sighted and doomed to fail as jobs will vanish with those industries in the future.

Has anyone else noticed what ends up happening when huge changes morph into the mainstream over several years or decades? What happens is the current leaders in the industry undergoing the transitioning are in the best place to lead into the future!

Recycling has had a good run, maybe it's dying, but maybe not. The trashers didn't end up losing jobs, they actually got creative and created new jobs! But the crying was endless, until it worked.

Shell just scooped up a zillion future charging stations in Europe (Germany maybe?) from an innovative company...that's how it works. That's how it will continue to work.

Necessity is the mother of invention...and invention creates opportunity for better or at least new job.

frankj1 wrote:

the yin yang of conservatism and progressivism...

both are needed as we move forward

frankj1
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5 years ago

#83

the yin yang of conservatism and progressivism...

both are needed as we move forward

delta1 wrote:

always hoping for the best from each...don't tell rayr.
He's still mad that NASA happened before Musk

frankj1
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5 years ago

#84

wish I had a said mad about tractors putting oxen on the dole...

Smooth light
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5 years ago

#85

Rubbing two sticks together,
matches, lighters,flick of the bic.
What the hell is this world coming to

frankj1
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5 years ago

#86

I dunno.
Neither do you.
Light a cijar, buddy.

CelticBomber
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5 years ago

#87

Since 2010 the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills in 9 years as of Nov 2019... I don't blame anyone for not wanting it to run through tribal land. Or anyone's land where there is a community of people. Especially when one spill could contaminate the water table and the nearby rivers. Pretty sure even tribal people need to drink water. There are 100's of planned projects every year that would create jobs and they don't happen for one reason or another. Why is this one so significant? Oh, right, it was turned into a political football. What about all the jobs that would be lost if the pipeline were built? The transport guys and all the support that goes along with them to name a few. Why isn't that mentioned? Pretty sure Canadian gas and oil companies will be just fine. I wonder if anyone's opinion would change if that pipeline was going to run through their privately owned land. Hey Drafter, would you let them build it next to the lake that is behind your house? 2.3 spills a year wouldn't bother you right? Those pipelines "don't leak" is what you said on the Vherf. Turning this into a left vs right issue is ridiculous.

The smallest reported spill was 2 gallons. The biggest was 407,000 gallons. 836,683 total reported gallons spilled since 2010. That's just an estimate of what the XL pipeline has released into the environment, I worked for a chemical company. I saw first hand how spills are handled and reported... I once saw a crew painting asphalt with black paint to hide a spill that had turned it orange. They did that to hide it before the EPA inspectors arrived. I'm sure nothing like that happens anymore.

Across the US over 1,650 leaks have been reported from various pipelines since 2010. Spilling over 11,500,000 gallons of crude. It's not a question of if the pipeline will leak, it's a question of when. How is that a left/right issue? Everyone should drop the pitchforks, drink a cup of coffee and enjoy a smoke. Let's all take a day off from left/right outrage. I heard since Biden was elected, pigeons only crap on Republican cars. Why is no one outraged about that?

bgz
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5 years ago

#88

But trump told them...

Sunoverbeach
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5 years ago

#89

PCBs builds strong bones and a healthy body. Essential part of a balanced breakfast

RayR
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5 years ago

#90

The U.S. government is the biggest polluter there is, with the U.S. military establishment being the biggest contributor to polluting the land, water and the air, not only in the U.S., but in the world too. Hell, they even pollute Native American lands.

I don't see any of you government loving Green Progressives raising a fuss about it.:-k Accidental spills and stuff doesn't benefit private companies, it costs them lost product and revenue. For the government which has no worries about annoying business concerns like that or property rights, they just petition congress for more stolen loot and keep on polluting!

According to EcoWatch in 2017, the Dept. of Defence "produces more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined" and "almost 900 of the nearly 1,200 Superfund sites in the U.S. are abandoned military facilities or sites that otherwise support military needs, not counting the military bases themselves".

Where's the outrage progressives???!!! [ram27bat]

CelticBomber
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5 years ago

#91

Hey everyone,

Remember to list every single outrageous injustice in the world in every post. Even when you are making points about a specific topic. If you don't do this, morons will believe they have a "gotcha moment" and accuse you of some sort of hypocrisy while they maintain the moral high ground. Whomever you are behind this alt account, I say Bravo.

RayR
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5 years ago

#92

Whoever they are, they accept your Bravo.

bgz
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5 years ago

#93

RayR wrote:

You're an idiot... now that we got that out of the way.

Here's the problem with absolutely anything you post. You've proven time and time again to not be credible mainly due to you're dubious sources and your flat out lying when it suits your needs. I've looked up enough of your sh*t to know that it's not worth looking up (any of it).

I'm only replying to this one just to let you know why you don't get any serious replies from me anymore. Other people might play your game, but seriously, your word and your message is trash

RayR
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5 years ago

#94

But Benny, I quoted a nice Green Progressive source for the information. I know how upset you get when I source information from a conservative or libertarian organization.
Seriously, there is no pleasing you.

opelmanta1900
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5 years ago

#95

Just curious, anyone else here actually communicate with someone who lost their job on the pipeline? Cuz the guy i talked to said it wasn't a big deal, happens all the time... it was a contract job and like everyone else, he was only there for a few months before he would be transferred elsewhere... so now he's just being transferred early... according to him there is no shortage of jobs in his industry and the XL didn't put anyone in the unemployment line... everyone is just doing what they always do - transferring to a new job site...

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ZRX1200
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5 years ago

#96

Just curious if anyone thinks importing energy curbs greenhouse gasses, and how big is the impact of the biggest economy in the world that is already trying to go clean get cleaner when China and India are filthy.

The watermelon (green on the outside, red in the middle) activists are pawns in a wealth redistribution game. When their usefulness is through the soundboard amplification of their message will be redistributed as well into the new endeavor.

opelmanta1900
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5 years ago

#97

So because China and India don't do it, no point in us doing it? That feels a bit short sighted...

here's something, what if we start doing it anyway until we have it dialed in? and then cut off China and India from global trading by subsidizing our green technology into competitive pricing?

bgz
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5 years ago

#98

RayR wrote:

Unfortunately you can't instantaneously tell... most your sources are trash. Links only matter if they come from a trustworthy messanger... that you are not.

We all know your shtick...

CelticBomber
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5 years ago

#99

opelmanta1900 wrote:

This is not the place to try and be reasonable. WRONG FORUM NOOB!

DrMaddVibe
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5 years ago

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Op-Ed: Canceling Keystone XL Pipeline is a gift to China and Russia

Joe Biden’s plans to cancel the Keystone XL Pipeline is a gift to someone. The radical green groups for sure: they have opposed the oil link since its inception. The trucking and railroad industry will benefit, too, because once the pipeline is stopped, then the oil will be transported in and around America by something with wheels. It’s also a gift to our adversaries: for who will benefit when America and Canada can’t bring their fossil fuels to market? The competition. Russia and Venezuela will be thrilled to know their market share will increase thanks to the Biden administration’s fumble.

What’s fascinating about Keystone is how un-fascinating the project actually really is. Sure, it’s a marvel of engineering and an extraordinary accomplishment of human and mechanical skills. The 1,200 mile pipeline from Alberta, Canada, to the U.S. Gulf Coast carrying crude oil to be refined is a great infrastructure project. A State Department study commissioned during the Obama administration (when Joe Biden was Veep, a point which requires emphasis) determined the pipeline would create 3,200 temporary construction jobs directly, 42,000 additional jobs indirectly, and generate over $2 billion in wages. For the people in Montana, South Dakota, and Nebraska, the states through which the proposed pipeline will transverse, that’s an enormous opportunity.

Joe Biden claims to love infrastructure. His “Build Back Better” program commits to infrastructure programs which create “good paying” jobs and achieve “net-zero” emissions. (Know what has emissions? Trucks and trains. Know what doesn’t? Pipelines. But alas, there’s no place for facts in a party which simplistically “believes in science.”). Eliminating Keystone for purely political reasons eliminates these jobs and all the opportunities for these communities. Rural America will not fare well under the Biden energy agenda. After all, this is just the beginning.

Are pipelines scary? If you think so, I have the plot of a horror film: the call is coming from inside the house. Your house is full of pipelines. America is crisscrossed with over 2.6 million miles of pipeline. That’s enough to get to the moon and back – more than five times. Is there a risk? Of course, and the Pipeline and Hazardous Material Safety Administration, part of the U.S. Department of Transportation, records all pipeline incidents. Last year there were fewer than a dozen considered “serious” and one tragically resulted in the death of four workers in Texas.

Let’s compare that to trucking, which is the fallback transportation method after the pipeline is ignorantly canceled. Another office at the Department of Transportation, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, also records accidents. In 2018, the most recent year for recorded data, large trucks were involved in 4,862 fatal crashes, 112,000 crashes which resulted in injury, and 414,000 crashes which resulted in property damage.

You tell me which is greener and safer: pipelines or trucks? The facts are clear, and this is no way a knock on the trucking industry, which is a vital, noble and risky profession. It's just a technological reality.

Keystone was also making a massive renewable energy investment, and you’d think that alone would please the green Biden team. According to The Wall Street Journal, “Canada’s TC Energy Corp. TRP 0.29% is committing to spend $1.7 billion on solar, wind and battery power to operate the partially completed 2,000-mile pipeline.” Furthermore, the company pledges “also to hire a union workforce and eliminate all greenhouse-gas emissions from operations by 2030.” These points which hit the very plan Biden promises should trump (pardon the pun) politics and keep the project alive.

Canada has an economy to run, too, and the country has lots of oil to sell. If Keystone is stopped, it will simply be sold elsewhere. China? Probably. As the world’s largest oil importer at 10-11 million barrels a day, China would love to buy oil from anyone but America. Canada needs revenue and jobs. China needs oil. Losing our northern neighbor’s reliable, inexpensive, and abundant crude to the Chinese Communist Party nation would be a foreign policy collapse. But if Biden wants to continue the Obama-Biden tradition, more foreign policy disasters are to be expected.

I’ve written here before about the great gift to China which is the entire Biden energy agenda. At the same time he will be watching Canada’s oil go to China, Biden will be buying Chinese wind and solar technologies with borrowed American tax dollars. Meanwhile, Russia will be selling its natural gas to Europe, while America will join the other eunuchs of the Paris Climate Accord to keep China and Russia laughing at all of us.

Great plan. Putin and Xi themselves couldn’t have crafted a better one.

Energy policy isn’t the simplicity of soundbites. “Cancel Keystone” is a bumper sticker, not the decision of a serious politician who sees the real world fallout of jobs and geopolitics let alone the increase in emissions that will result.

This is just the beginning of an energy agenda that will cripple us on so many levels: jobs, cost of living, and opportunity. It will hurt our critical allies in Canada and Europe. It will benefit our enemies, Russia and China. And it will do absolutely nothing for the environment.

It’s almost as if Joe Biden isn’t the “moderate” we were always told he is, even if his tweets will be nicer than his predecessor.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/op-ed-canceling-keystone-xl-pipeline-is-a-gift-to-china-and-russia/article_10799a88-5b47-11eb-a999-438f4d674807.html

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