HockeyDad
5 years ago

the fossil fuel industry has some that make in onto a few top 100 good corporate citizens lists...

but it is also the industry that has made climate change an existential threat...


kinda like the NCAA putting LeBron into their HOF

delta1 wrote:



The fossil fuel industry also created the modern industrial era.

Kinda like the NBA putting LeBron into their HOF because LeBron invented the NBA.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

Climate change is an existential threat? 😨 What moron said that?:-k
I know I heard it somewhere before.

RayR wrote:



I don’t even care what moron said it. It has been deemed as fact and we need to throw trillions of dollars at it to “fix” it. With that kind of money being thrown around there will be pitchers and catchers.

The catchers are in full support of the existential threat.

The pitchers are taxpayers.
Smooth light
5 years ago
If your country is over the emissions limit, you got to pay extra to stay in the club. Not us that do.

Arm, twisting can be subtle or just twist it off and beat them with it.
No exemptions!
delta1
5 years ago

I don’t even care what moron said it. It has been deemed as fact and we need to throw trillions of dollars at it to “fix” it. With that kind of money being thrown around there will be pitchers and catchers.

The catchers are in full support of the existential threat.

The pitchers are taxpayers.

HockeyDad wrote:



of course the industrial revolution was powered by fossil fuels, along with technology that contributed to it...the fossil fuel industry also realizes that there are consequences...the fact that some are jumping on the good corporate citizenship wagon
may be more charade than earnest...


internal records among oil companies show that their risk management realized many years ago they may be on the hook for huge damages due to their role in global warming/climate change...there has been a wave of lawsuits filed all over the US, most of the world in fact...the industry could go the way of big tobacco, where they internally knew of the damage they were doing, yet lied in public...


here's a story about litigation vs Big Oil last year...not seen any settlements yet...could be years, especially if class-actions occur:


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/17012020/climate-change-fossil-fuel-company-lawsuits-timeline-exxon-children-california-cities-attorney-general/ 
tonygraz
5 years ago
I haven"t seen much in the way of environmental care by business, but I have seen hiding of pollution and efforts to stop anyone from mentioning it.
HockeyDad
5 years ago


internal records among oil companies show that their risk management realized many years ago they may be on the hook for huge damages due to their role in global warming/climate change...there has been a wave of lawsuits filed all over the US, most of the world in fact...the industry could go the way of big tobacco, where they internally knew of the damage they were doing, yet lied in public...


here's a story about litigation vs Big Oil last year...not seen any settlements yet...could be years, especially if class-actions occur:


https://insideclimatenews.org/news/17012020/climate-change-fossil-fuel-company-lawsuits-timeline-exxon-children-california-cities-attorney-general/ 

delta1 wrote:



Those frivolous lawsuits keep getting thrown out.

You own a car. You contribute to climate change. I’ll sue you.
frankj1
5 years ago

I haven"t seen much in the way of environmental care by business, but I have seen hiding of pollution and efforts to stop anyone from mentioning it.

tonygraz wrote:


some car manufacturers told Trump they did not back his attempts to erase CA's standards and future demands.

It might behoove both sides to stop assuming innate evil in others until such scorn is earned.
They become known eventually. But not all automatically plan to be devious.

Gene363
5 years ago

Those frivolous lawsuits keep getting thrown out.

You own a car. You contribute to climate change. I’ll sue you.

HockeyDad wrote:



There you go!
CelticBomber
5 years ago
I have a problem with the whole Global warming is all our fault. Is there global warming? Most definitely. Is it all our fault? I don't think so. Of course since the industrial revolution we've put more carbon into the atmosphere but, carbon isn't the only factor. The planets natural cycles have been heating and cooling the planet for millions of years.

Carbon offsets do nothing really. Solar? Good luck supplying the nations need for energy with solar. Our solar panels are so inefficient that it's just laughable. Wind? Expensive and kills so many birds it's not even funny while still not producing anywhere near our needs. I laugh every time I see Elon Musk post pictures of his spaceships out near Saturn with solar panels deployed. So little of the sun's energy gets out that far that our current solar panel tech can't use it. He'd need solar panels the size of the US. Electric cars? Their manufacturing process causes more pollution than they save and you still need to charge them with electricity. What will produce that electricity?

Fossil fuels are here to stay. The US has the largest untapped reserves of crude oil in the world. I think Nuclear is the way forward. The designs have changed so much since the first plants that if you looked into it you'd be wondering why we aren't using them. The US has stockpiles of rare earth metals just sitting there doing nothing. We've invested so little into processing and reprocessing spent rods that the costs are prohibitive. All that nuclear waste we've been burying can be recycled. We just don't do it because of what happened in the 60's and 70's. All research stopped. Imagine where we'd be if we had been investing in these techs for the last 50+ years. Fearmongering and bad PR ended that. We have the NRC to thank for that. Getting a license for a new reactor is impossible.

There are also HUGE amounts of frozen methane and carbonic acid laying all over our oceans floors. That's the real danger of global warming. If all that methane and carbonates start to melt there is NOTHING we would be able to do to stop a runaway chain reaction that would turn us into Venus and all life would cease to exist. We need technologies that allow us access to these resources. More efficient processing of crude and engines are being developed all the time for fossil fuels. Hydro is good but we can't built enough Hydro plants to make up the difference.

For those that don't know, Venus is the 2nd planet from the sun. But, it's hotter than Mercury because of the greenhouse gases it's covered in. Mostly Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen and Sulfuric Acid. The ocean is the largest carbon sink with plants coming in at number two. Most people think it's the rain forests that capture the most but, it's really the tree line just below the arctic circle that captures the most. There are so many variables that we just plain ignore. Everyone is stuck on solar and wind as being our saviors that we ignore other techs that are WAY more effective.

BTW this is just the short basic version of this conversation we should be really having but, we aren't.
Sunoverbeach
5 years ago
+1 on the nuclear option given current abilities. Some people don't realize power generation is on demand and without a major breakthrough in battery technology, wind and solar just aren't viable.

There's a definite push to shut down coal plants. Mine's slated to be finished by the end of '23, but we're pretty small overall. If too many of the big players shutter without a viable replacement, a lot of people are going to be lucky to get by with rolling brownouts
Gene363
5 years ago

I have a problem with the whole Global warming is all our fault. Is there global warming? Most definitely. Is it all our fault? I don't think so. Of course since the industrial revolution we've put more carbon into the atmosphere but, carbon isn't the only factor. The planets natural cycles have been heating and cooling the planet for millions of years.

Carbon offsets do nothing really. Solar? Good luck supplying the nations need for energy with solar. Our solar panels are so inefficient that it's just laughable. Wind? Expensive and kills so many birds it's not even funny while still not producing anywhere near our needs. I laugh every time I see Elon Musk post pictures of his spaceships out near Saturn with solar panels deployed. So little of the sun's energy gets out that far that our current solar panel tech can't use it. He'd need solar panels the size of the US. Electric cars? Their manufacturing process causes more pollution than they save and you still need to charge them with electricity. What will produce that electricity?

Fossil fuels are here to stay. The US has the largest untapped reserves of crude oil in the world. I think Nuclear is the way forward. The designs have changed so much since the first plants that if you looked into it you'd be wondering why we aren't using them. The US has stockpiles of rare earth metals just sitting there doing nothing. We've invested so little into processing and reprocessing spent rods that the costs are prohibitive. All that nuclear waste we've been burying can be recycled. We just don't do it because of what happened in the 60's and 70's. All research stopped. Imagine where we'd be if we had been investing in these techs for the last 50+ years. Fearmongering and bad PR ended that. We have the NRC to thank for that. Getting a license for a new reactor is impossible.

There are also HUGE amounts of frozen methane and carbonic acid laying all over our oceans floors. That's the real danger of global warming. If all that methane and carbonates start to melt there is NOTHING we would be able to do to stop a runaway chain reaction that would turn us into Venus and all life would cease to exist. We need technologies that allow us access to these resources. More efficient processing of crude and engines are being developed all the time for fossil fuels. Hydro is good but we can't built enough Hydro plants to make up the difference.

For those that don't know, Venus is the 2nd planet from the sun. But, it's hotter than Mercury because of the greenhouse gases it's covered in. Mostly Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen and Sulfuric Acid. The ocean is the largest carbon sink with plants coming in at number two. Most people think it's the rain forests that capture the most but, it's really the tree line just below the arctic circle that captures the most. There are so many variables that we just plain ignore. Everyone is stuck on solar and wind as being our saviors that we ignore other techs that are WAY more effective.

BTW this is just the short basic version of this conversation we should be really having but, we aren't.

CelticBomber wrote:




Agree. Nuclear has got to be a large part of the solution and we need to start reprocessing spent or more accurately, used fuel. There is still a lot of energy in spent fuel that should be recovered and used. We could realize a lot of savings just increasing efficiency and reducing losses.

Tragically, just like with the COVID situation, the entire discussion has been politicized. If that wasn't bad enough the control freaks have used scare tactics similar to the misleading anti drug claims of the sixties.

BuckyB93
5 years ago
I have a belly button
izonfire
5 years ago

I have a belly button

BuckyB93 wrote:


You say that so often that it makes me doubt that you do...
CelticBomber
5 years ago

You say that so often that it makes me doubt that you do...

izonfire wrote:



I agree. Tomorrow I will demand proof and take a pic. Cya on the VHerf Bucky... IF that's your real name....
RayR
5 years ago
The new dictator is being sued! Don't the ingrates know he just wants to Build Better Back\?

Biden Gets Sued Over Recent Executive Order

https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-gets-sued-recent-executive-order/?ff_source=push&ff_medium=westernjournalism&ff_campaign=pushtraffic&ff_content=2021-01-21 
BuckyB93
5 years ago

I agree. Tomorrow I will demand proof and take a pic. Cya on the VHerf Bucky... IF that's your real name....

CelticBomber wrote:



Did Tdub implement a new biometric security measure to gain access? Password not secure enough? Do we have to flash a full frontal or just the belly button?
opelmanta1900
5 years ago
I did nips and button for like 3 months before tw said i was allowed to wear a shirt on the herf again... I thought it was weird but he is the doctor...
CelticBomber
5 years ago

Did Tdub implement a new biometric security measure to gain access? Password not secure enough? Do we have to flash a full frontal or just the belly button?

BuckyB93 wrote:




I dunno if we HAVE to... But, to be safe I have flashed full frontal every other week for the last 3 months.
teedubbya
5 years ago
It' not a requirement yet but it is strongly suggested.
ZRX1200
5 years ago
DrafterX told me Teedubya put his belly button inside of him.
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