teedubbya
5 years ago
If you succeed you will still be gay though right?
Whistlebritches
5 years ago

then get Trump outta the way.
Despite anything he says that makes real conservative value adherents nod in agreement, you have to know that the old NY Democrat con man is saying whatever he thinks will make conservatives nod their heads...and then send money to him. Make sure to uncheck the box authorizing repeat donations, not kidding.

frankj1 wrote:



Not sure how........it looks like he is the 5000 lb elephant in the repube room.Despite my dislike for his childish ways at times he did get things done.........and it worked

Example.1.Look at the price of fuel and commodities in just 4 short months under Sleepy Joe.

Example 2.Look at our southern border........again in 4 short months a complete **** ing disaster

Example 3.Israel.......come on Frank this has to touch a nerve.

Just 3 simple things make Trump look pretty damn good right now.

That being said I don't want him to run again.........I want someone who will carry on his policies to run
Whistlebritches
5 years ago

If you succeed you will still be gay though right?

teedubbya wrote:




You know it girlfriend
teedubbya
5 years ago
Not so much.
tonygraz
5 years ago

What's funny is my mescan and black friends agree with me politically probably 85-90%.My white friends agree slightly less,they're like you,hung up in some fairy tale guilt trip layed on them by politicians but unlike you they are not completely off the rails.

Another observation of mine is people like you that claim to be oh so inclusive of creed and color are usually the biggest racist among us.........the only reason you claim to love all colors is all that pent up guilt inside.Logic would tell me your family owned many slaves and this is why you put on such a "I love black people" act.Hey if it makes you feel better...........just know it's thinly veiled and quite obvious


BTW secession looks better everyday, thanks for the encouraging words.

Whistlebritches wrote:







They say it's wise and safer to agree with a crazy person, particularly racists that are consumed by hatred.

Your logic matches your stupidity and ignorance.
RayR
5 years ago

So ignorant! So off target. Again and again...yawn.

you are among the less than 1% unable to understand that Nazis are not Commies. Fooled by a single word in the Party name, without understanding why it was chosen for the "Party" to recruit working class recruits, and the studies of young Adolph long before his attempt to take over the world.

Yeah, Stalin was rooting for the Nazis...to kill millions of his real Commies? Unlikely.

You're brighter than that, believing you can make a case for one fringe over the other by disingenuously adding death tolls to the other. Fringes own the horror they wreak. There's no "good" in either.

Aside from your juvenile need to assign anyone of differing opinion to your one unpopular club, usually incorrectly, you back as much hate as anyone when you align with fringe thought. Yours is not better than your perceived devil's.

I could not have been clearer about my views on violent/destructive criminal actions vs legitimate peaceful (even if unpopular) protesting and my support of those rights.

frankj1 wrote:



Frank, think of it this way. Commies and Nazis (Fascists) are like the Bloods and the Crips. Two rival criminal gangs that spouted from the same leftist seed vying for power. There is no right-wing and yes, no libertarian tradition anywhere in their DNA. They are all the spawn of Jacobins.
I know you support their rights for "legitimate peaceful" protesting even though there is no such reality. Their protesting is always based on promoting violence and hate even if only sometimes in words and not deeds, in other words, promoting political violence and not physical violence.
You really have to make an intellectual case for your position and not some wishy-washy one based on some popular propaganda and your own left-of-center sympathies.
bgz
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5 years ago

Frank, think of it this way. Commies and Nazis (Fascists) are like the Bloods and the Crips. Two rival criminal gangs that spouted from the same leftist seed vying for power. There is no right-wing and yes, no libertarian tradition anywhere in their DNA. They are all the spawn of Jacobins.
I know you support their rights for "legitimate peaceful" protesting even though there is no such reality. Their protesting is always based on promoting violence and hate even if only sometimes in words and not deeds, in other words, promoting political violence and not physical violence.
You really have to make an intellectual case for your position and not some wishy-washy one based on some popular propaganda and your own left-of-center sympathies.

RayR wrote:



The burden of proof is on you. You're the one that's always presenting subjective opinions as fact.
RayR
5 years ago

The burden of proof is on you. You're the one that's always presenting subjective opinions as fact.

bgz wrote:



Frank presented a subjective opinion based on his feelings.
My case is objective, the objective proof is in actual history, there's nothing subjective about it. Prove me wrong sucka![frypan]
bgz
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5 years ago

Frank presented a subjective opinion based on his feelings.
My case is objective, the objective proof is in actual history, there's nothing subjective about it. Prove me wrong sucka![frypan]

RayR wrote:



Ok... genetic sequence of Jacob... I'm assuming you have it? If not, your whole post is pure sh*t.

There, I obliged you, and it was ez.
RayR
5 years ago

Ok... genetic sequence of job... I'm assuming you have it? If not, your whole post is pure sh*t.

There, I obliged you, and it was ez.

bgz wrote:



More meaningless bullcrap is your answer? Oh, I'm impressed.💤
bgz
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5 years ago
It was about as meaningless as yours... you basically said all non-Rayians are French... and that's just stupid.

So... see why it's hard to argue with you? Most the sh*t you say is nonsense.
RayR
5 years ago
More meaningless bullcrap and baseless assertions. Yer on a roll.
bgz
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5 years ago
Whistlebritches
5 years ago

They say it's wise and safer to agree with a crazy person, particularly racists that are consumed by hatred.

Your logic matches your stupidity and ignorance.

tonygraz wrote:



I hate no one,not even you ya old fool.


SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!!!
tailgater
5 years ago

it has been your opinion all along, that's true.
But I get the feeling it is based on general negative opinion of liberal politics (or maybe more specifically Democrats) and unfounded assumptions of mindset, rather than any knowledge of the mindset of many Liberals regarding the distinction between protest and violent/destructive crime.

The vast majority of the Summer's political activities were without violence of any level...the vast majority.
But the phrase "summer of terror" glosses over that and focuses exclusively on the heinous criminal activities that took place and should be aggressively prosecuted, while painting all of the protests with the same accusatory brush...even the vast majority of peaceful though leftish protests. Very few Americans are okay with criminal destruction of property for any reason.

Indicting all left of center along with the fringe actors is not a step up from those who would lump solid conservatives in with Nazis, white supremacists, et al.

It's ugly, very ugly and upsetting for me to see torch carrying young men chanting "The Jews will not replace us". At the same time I admire people like my father who fought in legitimate wars to protect our uncomfortable granting of their right to demonstrate...up until one of them drives a car into a counter protest crowd and a young woman gets killed. Up until that point I get an odd sense of pride that there may be no other place on Earth with the tolerance toward opposing political points of view...despite the chants that threaten my existence.

It's important to see the distinction in both right-of-center activities. It keeps me in the closer-to-center crowd that just might be able to end the threats posed by both fringes.
It's equally important to try to separate various left-of-center activities.

frankj1 wrote:



I stand by my comments. Albeit a generalization, there are scant few on the left that wanted to prosecute or even investigate the thuggery that took place last year. We were told it was the minority. You yourself are saying the vast majority were peaceful. And you're not wrong.
Here's the thing: I don't want the peaceful protestors investigated.
I want those who DID loot and burn and murder and trash and occupy and injure to be brought to justice.

The left were silent. Again and again. They embraced it. They claimed it was the most American thing they ever witnessed. Until a band of conservatives were coaxed into storming our Capitol. Suddenly law and order is of utmost import.

We all know that a few well-placed bad actors can incite the mob mentality. But it's a useless excuse, like telling the cop that "everyone" was going 80.

The left wanted NONE of the BLM criminals prosecuted. That's not opinion.
We often talk about hypocrisy. We point fingers and say "both sides do it".
But there is no equivalence here. Conservatives aren't fighting against arresting those who broke down the doors of our Capitol. They are wholly against letting Pelosi and Schumer make this a political exclamation point from a purely partisan and hate filled mission.

As for the torch bearing nazis? You let me know when their bigotry gains traction. Remember, the GOP are the ones defending Isreal in the middle east. Those inbred marchers speak for no-one but themselves, and their lot in life will be of no consequence to anyone outside their branchless family tree.


Whistlebritches
5 years ago

I stand by my comments. Albeit a generalization, there are scant few on the left that wanted to prosecute or even investigate the thuggery that took place last year. We were told it was the minority. You yourself are saying the vast majority were peaceful. And you're not wrong.
Here's the thing: I don't want the peaceful protestors investigated.
I want those who DID loot and burn and murder and trash and occupy and injure to be brought to justice.

The left were silent. Again and again. They embraced it. They claimed it was the most American thing they ever witnessed. Until a band of conservatives were coaxed into storming our Capitol. Suddenly law and order is of utmost import.

We all know that a few well-placed bad actors can incite the mob mentality. But it's a useless excuse, like telling the cop that "everyone" was going 80.

The left wanted NONE of the BLM criminals prosecuted. That's not opinion.
We often talk about hypocrisy. We point fingers and say "both sides do it".
But there is no equivalence here. Conservatives aren't fighting against arresting those who broke down the doors of our Capitol. They are wholly against letting Pelosi and Schumer make this a political exclamation point from a purely partisan and hate filled mission.

As for the torch bearing nazis? You let me know when their bigotry gains traction. Remember, the GOP are the ones defending Isreal in the middle east. Those inbred marchers speak for no-one but themselves, and their lot in life will be of no consequence to anyone outside their branchless family tree.


tailgater wrote:



Well.said Tail=d>
tonygraz
5 years ago
[quote=Whistlebritches]I don't like the way Jan 6th went down and yes some should be charged for their unforgivable actions, but I am hoping a viable 3rd party emerges from it.We are in dire need of some conservative counterbalance in our political systems along with some common sense answers to some very complicated problems.That being said I'd like to know who exactly is pulling the BLM and antifa strings.........I HATE them the same as the KKK,none serve a positive purpose.


United we stand ........ Divided we fall[/quote]


Denials of hatred and talk of secession
frankj1
5 years ago

I stand by my comments. Albeit a generalization, there are scant few on the left that wanted to prosecute or even investigate the thuggery that took place last year. We were told it was the minority. You yourself are saying the vast majority were peaceful. And you're not wrong.
Here's the thing: I don't want the peaceful protestors investigated.
I want those who DID loot and burn and murder and trash and occupy and injure to be brought to justice.

The left were silent. Again and again. They embraced it. They claimed it was the most American thing they ever witnessed. Until a band of conservatives were coaxed into storming our Capitol. Suddenly law and order is of utmost import.

We all know that a few well-placed bad actors can incite the mob mentality. But it's a useless excuse, like telling the cop that "everyone" was going 80.

The left wanted NONE of the BLM criminals prosecuted. That's not opinion.
We often talk about hypocrisy. We point fingers and say "both sides do it".
But there is no equivalence here. Conservatives aren't fighting against arresting those who broke down the doors of our Capitol. They are wholly against letting Pelosi and Schumer make this a political exclamation point from a purely partisan and hate filled mission.

As for the torch bearing nazis? You let me know when their bigotry gains traction. Remember, the GOP are the ones defending Isreal in the middle east. Those inbred marchers speak for no-one but themselves, and their lot in life will be of no consequence to anyone outside their branchless family tree.


tailgater wrote:


as you likely expected, I'm on the same page with several points you are making.

But you still generalize more than have proof.

To single out a handful of comments as statements reflecting the beliefs of about half the country is unlikely to ever be accurate...
Unless we agree that the attack on the Capitol really was just a group of tourists, as a few on the right have posed.
HockeyDad
5 years ago

as you likely expected, I'm on the same page with several points you are making.

But you still generalize more than have proof.

To single out a handful of comments as statements reflecting the beliefs of about half the country is unlikely to ever be accurate...
Unless we agree that the attack on the Capitol really was just a group of tourists, as a few on the right have posed.

frankj1 wrote:



It was more like Daytona at Spring Break.
BuckyB93
5 years ago
So when BLM or these "peaceful" protesters of their ilk announce that they are going to do a rally in your town, in your neighborhood, how may people/homes/businesses are going to shut down and board up their windows for the day?

If the same were to happen for redneck, hot rod car show/rally... how many people are going to board up and shut down their businesses for the day?

In scenario #1, downtown will shut down and police will be on overtime duty in anticipation for property damage. The "peaceful" protestors have set the precedent on what to expect based on their actions... that's indisputable. How you continue to shed a blind eye to these facts amazes me.

In scenario #2 the cafes and businesses will remain open in anticipation for increased customers.



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