HockeyDad
4 years ago

I just don't want to die alone, that's all. That's not too much to ask for, is it It would be nice to have someone care about me, for who I am, not about my wallet.
- RP

Sunoverbeach wrote:



“I hate false advertising, like 'Skittles: taste the rainbow.' No one's ever been like, 'Rainbow, right you guys?' Or what's Reese's? 'There's no wrong way to eat a Reese's.' Oh, really? Tell that to my uncle who used to put them in my underwear. Alright, maybe your uncles didn't love you.” ~ Amy Schumer
HockeyDad
4 years ago

no fear of retribution from government for publicly disagreeing?
Smells like convenience and hypocrisy.

frankj1 wrote:



Like the oil industry?

Don’t the Democrats also hate too big to fail banks?

Don’t the Democrats also hate big pharma?


Corporations don’t publicly disagree. They spend a ****-ton on lobbying. That was Disney’s mistake. Normally they spend millions in Florida to get what they want.
HockeyDad
4 years ago


Who is going to be responsible for all the miles and miles and miles of Disney roads and bridges, and infrastructure maintenance and construction?
.

rfenst wrote:



I have it on good information that every house in Orange County could be facing a property tax increase of $11,000 per year.
rfenst
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4 years ago

Corporations don’t publicly disagree. They spend a ****-ton on lobbying. That was Disney’s mistake. Normally they spend millions in Florida to get what they want.

HockeyDad wrote:


They DID publicly and vocally disagree (not soon enough). And, Disney threatened to withhold political contributions to supporters of the bill- with elections starting in like just a few months.

No economic analysis, no hearings, evidence or testimony, no bill regarding this during the regular legislative session either that was 60-days long and just ended.

No negotiations with Disney to work this out amicably with sufficient of time. No, let's just set fire to the Mouse to stay in good standing with DeSantis.

This is not a Democrat/Republican issue. It's pure First Amendment in my mind.
rfenst
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4 years ago

NYT - another biased opinion. LOL!

MACS wrote:


MACS, did you even read it or did you merely dismiss it because it was simply NYT?
MACS
4 years ago
It's the NYT. Everything about that "news" paper is biased propaganda.
RayR
4 years ago

Ray supports government punishing dissension from corporations?

Anyone else not surprised?

frankj1 wrote:



Who are you? The one who is building a straw man?
Are you B-G-Z in disguise? 🤔


Speyside2
4 years ago
No Frank, I am not surprised in the least. When it favors his beliefs Draconian measures from a Dictator are just fine. I feel sorry for Robert about the massive property tax increase he will see if Disney stays open, or the massive unemployment rate if they bail.

Realistically the bill has multiple problems. If you read the initial special districts bill, and the new bill, the new bill is illegal. Also freedom of speech is being violated. As there are many religions that accept all people with open arms I think a case could be made that freedom of religion is being violated due to extreme interference with members of certain churches.

If this does happen DeSantis has lost. Based on the massive tax increases that will be needed or the massive unemployment, there will be a recall election and he will loose.

I doubt that he cares, he is aiming for the presidency. He has no interest in governing Florida in the best manner for the people of Florida. He is walking a slippery slope. In either of the above scenarios in my opinion he has no chance to carry a presidential election in Florida.

It will be interesting to watch this play out. Floridians loose in all scenarios other than the courts overruling this. Actually the 2020 and 2022 elections will be very interesting. Much of the south is alienating working proffesionals due to overriding a woman's right to self determination of her body and decreasing minorities ability to vote. This will ultimately cause a brain drain to the south due to relocation. This will then trigger loosing a significant percentage of jobs due to corporate relocation. There will be massive tax losses causing there to be many even poorer southern states. Mind you, all of this is only my opinion, but the above seems very plausible to me.
RayR
4 years ago
Spey...are you mad that DeSantis is against wokism? Are you mad that those crumby Disney authoritarian executives who also play footsy with Chicoms are under attack, mainly from consumers I would hope for creating a new Magic Kingdom where there are no Boys and Girls? Where maybe Micky is trans and Miney is a lesbian?
Does that all make you sad?
frankj1
4 years ago

Spey...are you mad that DeSantis is against wokism? Are you mad that those crumby Disney authoritarian executives who also play footsy with Chicoms are under attack, mainly from consumers I would hope for creating a new Magic Kingdom where there are no Boys and Girls? Where maybe Micky is trans and Miney is a lesbian?
Does that all make you sad?

RayR wrote:


what it doesn't do is make what you hate most suddenly okay.
HockeyDad
4 years ago

No Frank, I am not surprised in the least. When it favors his beliefs Draconian measures from a Dictator are just fine. I feel sorry for Robert about the massive property tax increase he will see if Disney stays open, or the massive unemployment rate if they bail.

Realistically the bill has multiple problems. If you read the initial special districts bill, and the new bill, the new bill is illegal. Also freedom of speech is being violated. As there are many religions that accept all people with open arms I think a case could be made that freedom of religion is being violated due to extreme interference with members of certain churches.

If this does happen DeSantis has lost. Based on the massive tax increases that will be needed or the massive unemployment, there will be a recall election and he will loose.

I doubt that he cares, he is aiming for the presidency. He has no interest in governing Florida in the best manner for the people of Florida. He is walking a slippery slope. In either of the above scenarios in my opinion he has no chance to carry a presidential election in Florida.

It will be interesting to watch this play out. Floridians loose in all scenarios other than the courts overruling this. Actually the 2020 and 2022 elections will be very interesting. Much of the south is alienating working proffesionals due to overriding a woman's right to self determination of her body and decreasing minorities ability to vote. This will ultimately cause a brain drain to the south due to relocation. This will then trigger loosing a significant percentage of jobs due to corporate relocation. There will be massive tax losses causing there to be many even poorer southern states. Mind you, all of this is only my opinion, but the above seems very plausible to me.

Speyside2 wrote:




I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Ima go out on a limb here and say absolutely none of that happens. There will be no mass individual or corporate migration back to Cali, New York, and the rust belt.

Rfenst is just gonna need to find that extra $86K per year in property taxes or move to Massachusetts.
frankj1
4 years ago

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Ima go out on a limb here and say absolutely none of that happens. There will be no mass individual or corporate migration back to Cali, New York, and the rust belt.

Rfenst is just gonna need to find that extra $86K per year in property taxes or move to Massachusetts.

HockeyDad wrote:


there's no time to waste! taxes are going up by the post!!!
HockeyDad
4 years ago
I have it on good information that home values could have already fallen by 50%. The only option is to sell now and get out of Florida

Contact MACSW HockeyDad Realty and dump that property now!

The situation is fluid. Just like gender in K-3rd grade students who need critical sexuality instruction as per Disney.
Speyside2
4 years ago
HD, I doubt that many other than the looney left want young children exposed to sexual education in any form at school. Read the bill, even an accurate synopsis of it. There are other parts that are Draconian, Victorian, and homofobic all at once. They need to go. This bill will never fly unless SCOTUS makes decisions on political affiliation as opposed to constitutional understanding.

Also, DeSantis has miscalculated in my opinion, the mouse has deeeeep pockets which they are more than willing to open for PACS during federal elections.
Speyside2
4 years ago
Frank, could you be more specific about what Ray hates most? I think everything and everyone that doesn't align with his beliefs are hated equally. Though you are right, he is 2 faced in regards to what he hates. It is never about principles, only alignment with his views. Honestly I doubt he will ever change. It would be interesting to understand what made him become who he is. I suspect it is something from his childhood, sexual abuse, physical abuse, verbal abuse, suppression of who he really is, ore some such thing. Pure conjuncture on my part, though I imagine he would be a worthwhile psychological study to understand what went wrong so as to learn from it.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
I have it on good information that RayR could even hate Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The land of Lindor chocolate and assault rifles in every home.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
Draconian is using administrative “law” and bypassing voters and shielding certain people……
HockeyDad
4 years ago

HD, I doubt that many other than the looney left want young children exposed to sexual education in any form at school. Read the bill, even an accurate synopsis of it. There are other parts that are Draconian, Victorian, and homofobic all at once. They need to go. This bill will never fly unless SCOTUS makes decisions on political affiliation as opposed to constitutional understanding.

Also, DeSantis has miscalculated in my opinion, the mouse has deeeeep pockets which they are more than willing to open for PACS during federal elections.

Speyside2 wrote:



Young people in K-3 grades NEED to be be exposed to sexuality education. Specifically gay sexuality. That is the outrage against the “Don’t Say Gay” law. That is the hill to die on and the Democrats and Disney climbed up it. Granted, mainstream Democrats polled are actually in favor of the law and don’t want their kids getting taught about “Tranny Tuesday!” but this is where leadership forced you to go.

As far as the Supreme Court making decisions on political leaning and not the Constitution, isn’t that exactly why the Democrats want to expand and pack the Supreme Court? NOW it’s bad!

Disney has deep pockets because they carefully navigate how to play to both sides. Now they very publicly picked a side and that may affect their deep pockets. Do you think Disney makes more money as Gay Disney, Straight Disney, or just Disney?

Do you know how expensive it will be to move a castle? A franking castle!
HockeyDad
4 years ago

Draconian is using administrative “law” and bypassing voters and shielding certain people……

ZRX1200 wrote:



We do that out here all the time! California Covid State of Emergency: Day 757
ZRX1200
4 years ago
I think they’re gonna have all the fairies fly it somewhere 😟
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