RayR
4 years ago
Ah..the old dictionary ploy..eh?

"Most of the evil in the world is actually instigated by “good” people, in their frantic effort to compel conformity by all others." - Isabel Paterson
MACS
4 years ago

This part I'd have to disagree with. Sex ed should be discussed at and around the time of puberty (just my opinion).

- Your voice is going to be squeaky and eventually get deeper.
- You'll start growing hair in places that hair never grew before.
- There's going to be some hormones that trigger lots of different things, both physically and emotionally.
- This is how babies are made.
- Etc...

But again, it should be at the parent's discretion to determine if they want their kids to be taught this within the school or at home. I'm not saying cancel all Sex Ed in the schools. It should be a topic addressed within the schools at the appropriate time (I would say not before 6th grade) and the parents should have the final veto if they want thier kids to be exposed to or not within the school.

The parents can have "that talk" with their kids and the varying topics of sex ed whenever they deem it appropriate. Maybe earlier, maybe later but it should ultimately be the parents who make the call on when and what not the schools, not the government, not the teachers... THE PARENTS.

BuckyB93 wrote:



I'll still say HS. So roll it back to 9th grade. I was 13 when I started HS. Kids don't need to be taught, in school, sooner than that, IMO. If they do... let the parents handle it, not the school. And the sex ed should be men/women stuff... not the lgbtq sexuality BS.
DrafterX
4 years ago
I was taught by a 16 yr old girl named Tonda when I was 14... 😟
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

I was taught by a 16 yr old girl named Tonda when I was 14... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Sure it wasn't Lafawnduh?
RayR
4 years ago
I heard Tonda was a sexual predator.
Speyside2
4 years ago
So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.

With some additional digging at various sites Disney World provides a significant amount of operating income to Disney.

Disney has became sexual minority friendly. I cannot remember all of the letters or I would have used the acronym.

DeSantis has increased Disney's operating income. They should thank him. He has done it at the horrific expense of Orange county property owners.

So Ray's absolute support of DeSantis and the Florida Republican controlled legislature is interesting. Why does he support big buisness and greater government control of the populous that damages the populous? Way to go Florida state government, you made more money for Disney at the expense of Floridians.

To everyone here who is a property owner in Orange county, I commend you. Your religious/moral/ethical compass is so strong that it overrides all consideration of your financial destruction. Actually I commend everyone who supports this bill, your heart is in the right place. So what if Orange county Florida property owners go bankrupt, your vision is clear and you determination is absolute. Your religion/morality/ethics are well placed.
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.

With some additional digging at various sites Disney World provides a significant amount of operating income to Disney.

Disney has became sexual minority friendly. I cannot remember all of the letters or I would have used the acronym.

DeSantis has increased Disney's operating income. They should thank him. He has done it at the horrific expense of Orange county property owners.

So Ray's absolute support of DeSantis and the Florida Republican controlled legislature is interesting. Why does he support big buisness and greater government control of the populous that damages the populous? Way to go Florida state government, you made more money for Disney at the expense of Floridians.

To everyone here who is a property owner in Orange county, I commend you. Your religious/moral/ethical compass is so strong that it overrides all consideration of your financial destruction. Actually I commend everyone who supports this bill, your heart is in the right place. So what if Orange county Florida property owners go bankrupt, your vision is clear and you determination is absolute. Your religion/morality/ethics are well placed.

Speyside2 wrote:




Don't know how Forbes (share the link) was able to get the actual financial details as those that have been released to the press are purely speculative. On local radio this am there were several economists predicting that the amount that FL residents would be saddled with would be 40.00 a household for 10 years. Once again...they're just guessing.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/28/ron-desantis-fires-back-at-disney-it-will-pay-its-fair-share-of-taxes/ 

I don't remember anyone saluting Birmingham, AL, Detroit, MI or Stockton, CA for going belly up and they're still here.

https://patriotalerts.com/2022/04/disney-has-lost-34-billion-in-value-since-embarking-on-culture-war-with-florida/ 

Thanks for playing.
RayR
4 years ago
Here we go again, another Strawman builder. Spey 😳

I think you conveniently miss the fact that the WOKE Disney authoritarian executives are apparatchiks of big government progressive regimes.

RayR
4 years ago
Da Judge weighs in...

The Problems With Disney and Florida
By Andrew P. Napolitano

April 28, 2022

The core of the problems with Disney and Florida is the American addiction to corporatism. This is the use of government power for the benefit of the government’s patrons. Stated differently, it is a symbiotic relationship between the government and a private business that gives government officials corporate largesse and the private business a near monopoly. It is capturing the power of the state to increase private wealth at the expense of others.

Corporatism is immoral because it bribes the state to give government power to a patron. It is economically counterproductive because it stifles competition. It is unconstitutional because it violates equal protection and, in the Florida dispute with Disney, free speech.

In the 1960s, when Walt Disney came upon 25,000 acres of land outside Orlando, Florida, for his theme park, he crafted a deal with the state that gave his company extraordinary control over the land in return for building the park. For Florida, it was a win in terms of tourism dollars and employment opportunities. For Disney, it was a win in terms of relief from local regulatory constraints and certain state and local taxes.

Last week, after much public dispute between Disney personnel and Florida officials over a new Florida statute prohibiting government schoolteachers from teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity to 5-, 6- and 7-year-olds, Florida enacted legislation abrogating the contract between itself and Disney. It appears that the abrogating legislation was in retaliation for Disney’s public opposition to the school curriculum legislation.

Can the government constitutionally favor one business over others that are similarly situated by granting relief from legal obligations to the one and not to the others? Can the government constitutionally punish a corporation for the exercise of free speech by its officers and employees? The short answer to both questions is: No.

More...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/04/andrew-p-napolitano/the-problems-with-disney-and-florida/ 

HockeyDad
4 years ago

HOW DARE YOU HD! Have you lowered yourself to building STRAWMEN like Frank and B-G-Z, wherever he may be? 🤐

RayR wrote:



Straw man, wood man, brick man….220, 221 whatever it takes.
Speyside2
4 years ago
It is interesting Ray tries to to debase myself by playing at his level. As I said previously I am not carrying on a discussion with him because he is unable or unwilling to do so. Talking about him is different than talking with him, abet he talks with no one. He only espouses his singular point of view.

HD, I missed an additional figure of 106 million of lost tax revenue. I would bet Ray tries to engage me again due to his insecurity and obsessive need to feel superior. I would stop commenting about him, but his implosion to way to much fun.
Speyside2
4 years ago
My bad. Orange county only votes about 40% red. Wait, if property taxes there increase say 20%, do you think 40% will still vote red. Hmmm, there will also be less older Hispanic voters and more young Hispanic voters in 2024.

Yup, DeSantis is sure to carry Florida if he wins the GOP nod.
HockeyDad
4 years ago

So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25

Speyside2 wrote:



I agree with Rfenst….if my property taxes were going to go up by 20-25% I would absolutely let the teachers turn your kid into a transsexual in kindergarten to head that tax increase off.
Speyside2
4 years ago
OK guys, my main point is this. I see this as a total lose for the GOP. If the If the Democratic party had half a brain, which they do not, they would run as moderate of a ticket as possible. The moderates on both sides and the independents would determine the outcome. If Biden had went totally moderate with his VP, his SCOTUS member, and his politics the Democrats would have won 2022 also.

My true hope will never happen, the GOP once again becomes the party of moderates. Unfortunatly in my opinion and my opinion only, I speak for no one else on either side we will get farther and farther away from main stream America.

So, so many people have been conned into thinking it is us against them. Our founding fathers created a country and a constitution for Americans. I am an American first, foremost, and always. I vote based on my beliefs of who will be the best candidates for Americans. Special interest groups own both parties so I usually have to choose the less horrible candidate.

Remember to tip your waitress on the way out.
Speyside2
4 years ago
He or I never said that HD, and you know it, but must play your roll here. I am in total agreement with the grade requirements other than I thin 5th grade is a far better choice. Disney has taken such a definitive stance here I think a national boycott of all things Disney is called for. Play on.
RayR
4 years ago

I agree with Rfenst….if my property taxes were going to go up by 20-25% I would absolutely let the teachers turn your kid into a transsexual in kindergarten to head that tax increase off.

HockeyDad wrote:



😂 😂 😂 That's the fearmongering that Spey has been spreading, if there is no Disney corporatism, the taxpayers will suffer! Another famous corporatist spread the same propaganda...Mussolini. Can't leave these things to the free market I guess.

President NumbNuts let slip another doozy, a wink and a nod to the woke pedagogists who want to turn kids into transsexuals in kindergarten. Yes sir, "They’re not somebody else’s children; they’re like yours when they’re in the classroom.” he said.


Biden to Teachers: Kids Are 'Yours When You're in the Classroom'


By C. Douglas Golden
April 28, 2022

On Wednesday, President Joe Biden hosted the National and State Teachers of the Year event at the White House.

His remarks turned political, to the surprise of no one; education and parental freedom in public schooling are hot-button issues right now, and the president said it was high time for this to end.

“American teachers have dedicated their lives to teaching our children and lifting them up. We got to stop making them the target of the culture wars,” Biden said, according to a White House transcript. “That’s where this is going.”

(The Western Journal has documented, however, how it’s the left that’s been stoking the culture wars in the classroom — and conservatives are merely trying to stop their children from being indoctrinated.

More...

https://www.westernjournal.com/biden-teachers-kids-classroom/ 

HockeyDad
4 years ago

So I found this in a Forbes article. Orange county will have to pick up 163 million of annual expenses and 1 billion of debt when Disney is no longer a special district. This will cause property taxes in Orange county to increase 20 to 25 percent.

Speyside2 wrote:



I think we can all agree that Orange County will become a desolate wasteland and we will all lament the day that the cultural Mecca that it is ceases to exist. Just remember that Le HockeyDad and MACSW are buying. (Albeit at a severe discount to market price due to the impending doom and whatnot.)

With that being said, anyone notice why the narrative is all about all these services and costs transfer to Orange County and the magic revenue vanishes. That’s the whole premise as to why Disney’s corporate welfare (which Democrats hate) must remain.

Now go to Google Maps: Google Lake Buena Vista FL. Now Google Bay Lake FL. Now Google Celebration FL. You’ll notice these three cities. Now look at the boundary of Reedy Creek Improvement District. Notice the almost perfect overlap. When RCID is dissolved the services it provided revert back to the cities, not the county. Remember that whole city, county, state hierarchy thing?

OK so RCID has bonds, or in corporate terms, poison pills. RCID also has assets. Fire, water, sewer, electricity. Sell the assets to pay off the bond. Or transfer the assets and bonds to a new entity like the underlying cities.

Disney is not going to dissolve those cities or Orlando and Kissimmee will race to annex the whole franking thing. Walt and Roy Disney were brilliant to carve out their own county equivalent and cities. They just didn’t bargain on future CEOs betting the company on Tranny Tuesday in kindergarten classes, sponsored by Disney.
ZRX1200
4 years ago
Wait I thought it was hard on taxpayers to have tax breaks go to wealthy corporations?
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