frankj1
3 years ago
could very well be a great guy, not seeing claims against that as part of the question discussed about recusal.
Great guys sometimes get in situations requiring uncomfortable decisions for the greater good.

I am seeing unfounded charges of racism, again without evidence (to paraphrase Rudy).
ZRX1200
3 years ago
No you’re not…..you’re sounding racist.

This is 2022 bitches.
Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
How did I escape Iraq? Iran.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
I was betting you jive talked your way to Turkey.
Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
Couldn't stop to talk. I was in a Russia
ZRX1200
3 years ago
frankj1
3 years ago
Jamie!
you are on fire!!!
HA!
RayR
3 years ago
I was thinking about this yesterday ...What would RBG do? 🤔 You know, the late sainted leftist Supreme Court judge that trash talked the U.S. Constitution because it was old and it didn't use that word "democracy" even once and it's not WOKE. She said nobody should emulate it because there are newer constitutions like that one in S. Africa that uses nice modern lefty buzz words like "democratic values" and "social justice".

Surely she recused herself from cases that involved even a hint of impropriety? Ya right!

Liberals Want Clarence Thomas To Recuse Himself. Here’s What RBG Did When Her Relatives Got Political

LAUREL DUGGAN
SOCIAL ISSUES AND CULTURE REPORTER
March 31, 2022

* Democratic lawmakers are urging Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from certain cases because of his wife’s political activism.

* “Justice Thomas is being held to a newly-invented standard that has no place in the law or in precedent,” Mark Paoletta, an attorney who worked on the confirmations of Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

* Former Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did not recuse herself from cases her relatives had publicly commented on or to which her relatives were connected.

Congressional Democrats have urged Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from certain cases due to his wife’s political activism, raising questions about the political activities of other justices’ family members including those of former Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Thomas’s wife, Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, reportedly sent text messages to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows in the days after the 2020 election which said “do not concede” and claimed Democrats were attempting a “heist” of the presidential election, according to a March 24 report by The Washington Post.

Congressional Democrats have urged Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from certain cases due to his wife’s political activism, raising questions about the political activities of other justices’ family members including those of former Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Thomas’s wife, Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, reportedly sent text messages to former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows in the days after the 2020 election which said “do not concede” and claimed Democrats were attempting a “heist” of the presidential election, according to a March 24 report by The Washington Post.

https://t.co/ZuZbxkMaYs 

— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) March 25, 2022

Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Washington Democratic Rep. Pramila Jayapal sent a letter to the Supreme Court Monday requesting Justice Thomas recuse himself from all future cases involving Jan. 6 or efforts to overturn the 2020 election due to the text messages, according to The Washington Post, while Minnesota Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar called for Thomas to be impeached.

“Justice Thomas is being held to a newly-invented standard that has no place in the law or in precedent,” Mark Paoletta, an attorney who worked on the confirmations of Justices Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

The late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did not recuse herself from cases the court considered regarding parties represented by the law firm at which her husband Martin worked. Martin Ginsburg served as counsel for Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson, a law firm which brought cases before the Supreme Court including Lonnell Brewer v. Board of Trustees of the University of Illinois and KSR International Co. v. Teleflex Inc. (RELATED: ‘They Better Speak Out’: Sen. Amy Klobuchar Rips Supreme Court’s Silence On New Ginni Thomas Reports)

More...

https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/31/clarence-ginni-thomas-recusal-ruth-bader-ginsburg/ 

Speyside2
3 years ago
Comparing conspiracy to overturn a legal victory of the presidency to cases of law is a non starter. As I have previously said this is an unprecedented event. It is to bad you can not comprehend this.
RayR
3 years ago

Comparing conspiracy to overturn a legal victory of the presidency to cases of law is a non starter. As I have previously said this is an unprecedented event. It is to bad you can not comprehend this.

Speyside2 wrote:



Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Just having a suspicion or even knowing someone that has a suspicion that something is crooked with duhmacracy is a conspiracy to overthrow the regime they say. Thought Crimes! Welcome to 1984.
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3 years ago

I was thinking about this yesterday ...What would RBG do? 🤔 You know, the late sainted leftist Supreme Court judge that trash talked the U.S. Constitution because it was old and it didn't use that word "democracy" even once and it's not WOKE. She said nobody should emulate it because there are newer constitutions like that one in S. Africa that uses nice modern lefty buzz words like "democratic values" and "social justice".

Surely she recused herself from cases that involved even a hint of impropriety? Ya right!

Liberals Want Clarence Thomas To Recuse Himself. Here’s What RBG Did When Her Relatives Got Political

LAUREL DUGGAN
SOCIAL ISSUES AND CULTURE REPORTER
March 31, 2022

RayR wrote:


So what if Ginsburg was 100% wrong. Too late.
Doesn't get Thomas off the hook.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Now you speak ill of the dead goddess?!!!

I’ll pray for you.
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a year ago
OPINION: The ‘Fix’ Is in With the Latest Attack on Clarence Thomas
A report from a self-styled non-ideological Supreme Court watchdog is filled with errors and omissions.


WSJ
It’s late in the Supreme Court’s term, which means it’s hunting season for the justices’ detractors. As usual, Clarence Thomas is a prime target. Fix the Court, which styles itself a nonpartisan advocate for “non-ideological ‘fixes’ ” to make the judiciary “more open and more accountable”—released a chart purporting to show that Justice Thomas has received almost $4.2 million in gifts and “likely gifts” between 2004 and 2023.

The other 16 justices who served during that period, according to the chart, received a combined total of less than $600,000 in gifts. That includes a mere $3,150 for Justice Anthony Kennedy, $55,014 for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and $15,500 for Justice Stephen Breyer.

Can that be true? No. A review of Fix the Court’s claims shows multiple errors and deceptions:

• It counts as “gifts” Justice Thomas’s trips and vacations with friends that weren’t required to be disclosed. Fix the Court counts annual visits by Justice and Ginni Thomas to the summer home of their longtime friends Harlan and Kathy Crow as a gift valued at $280,950. But no other justice’s visits to close friends’ homes are listed on its chart.

In 2011, 20 Democratic lawmakers filed an ethics complaint regarding Justice Thomas not disclosing his trips with the Crows. In response, the U.S. Judicial Conference, which regulates judges’ financial disclosures, concluded in 2012 that Justice Thomas wasn’t required to report such trips and vacations.

• It uses an inconsistent standard for what constitutes a “gift” to inflate Justice Thomas’s numbers. He traveled to Dallas in 2022 to speak at a civil-rights conference hosted in part by the American Enterprise Institute. Fix the Court counts the plane travel provided by Mr. Crow, an AEI trustee, as a gift valued at $68,333.

But the group doesn’t count Justice Breyer’s more than 230 trips for events—63 of them outside the U.S.—including the 17 trips the Pritzker family’s Architecture Foundation paid for Justice Breyer to take to London, Paris, Beijing and Copenhagen. Justice Kennedy and his wife traveled to Europe many summers for a month to teach seminars, but none of those trips are on the Fix the Court chart.

The group counts two high-school scholarships established by the Horatio Alger Association in Justice Thomas’s son’s name as a $35,000 gift to Justice Thomas, even though none of the money went to him or any family member. But it doesn’t count as a gift the $1 million prize the Berggruen Institute awarded Ginsburg in 2019, which she distributed to her favored charities.

• It uses wildly inflated values for the “gifts” to Justice Thomas. Most shocking, Fix the Court values the 2019 vacation Justice Thomas and his wife took to Indonesia with the Crows—which, again, wasn’t even subject to disclosure as a gift—at $500,000. That estimate is based on the assumption that Justice Thomas would have chartered Mr. Crow’s yacht and plane for himself. In reality he was a guest of the Crows, along with 14 other passengers, including my wife and me. Even under its own methodology, the group has dishonestly inflated the value of this trip by not factoring in the other passengers.

Using this same method of valuing plane travel, the group claims Justice Thomas likely received $613,323 in gifts for flights to the Crows’ summer home every year for 20 years. But the Thomases almost always drove there. The group makes a similarly flawed estimate of $997,500 for flights Justice Thomas allegedly took on Mr. Crow’s plane to the Bohemian Grove.

Fix the Court even inflates ticket prices to games. The Thomases attended a University of Nebraska football game with friends (my wife and I were there) and sat in a suite where the price of the ticket, as confirmed by the University Athletic Office, was $65—well below the $415 reporting threshold. The group values these tickets at $989. And the group claims Justice Thomas attended a 2018 Dallas conference that didn’t even take place.

Fix the Court imputes 101 “likely but not confirmed gifts” worth nearly $1.8 million to Justice Thomas in 2004-23 but identifies no “likely gifts” for any other justice. Much of the information is drawn from another Thomas antagonist, ProPublica, which describes itself as “an independent, nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism with moral force.”

In an August 2023 story, ProPublica claimed Justice Thomas took “a voyage on a yacht around the Bahamas.” That trip never happened. When a lawyer for the yacht’s owner submitted a letter to that effect to the Senate Judiciary Committee, ProPublica quietly appended an “update” to its article without acknowledging the error.

ProPublica this month published an article titled “Harlan Crow Provided Clarence Thomas at Least 3 Previously Undisclosed Private Jet Trips, Senate Probe Finds.” As it has done before, the organization failed to cite the Judicial Conference’s 2012 ruling that these trips weren’t subject to disclosure. Like Fix the Court, ProPublica aims to smear disfavored justices, not to report honestly on the court.



Mr. Paoletta served as a lawyer in the George H.W. Bush and Trump administrations. He represented Ginni Thomas, Justice Thomas’s wife, in the Jan. 6 Committee’s proceedings.
jeebling
a year ago

Couldn't stop to talk. I was in a Russia

Sunoverbeach wrote:



But now you can post messages because you’re Finnish?
ZRX1200
a year ago
Maybe these hateful groups should try burning a letter “t” in his yard to show them how they really feel….
HockeyDad
a year ago

Maybe these hateful groups should try burning a letter “t” in his yard to show them how they really feel….

ZRX1200 wrote:


Or they could dress up as ghosts. Supreme Court justices hate ghosts!
jeebling
a year ago
Has it been proven that Trump or Ginni were conspiring to overthrow a legitimate election for POTUS? If that has been proven and I missed it, then my opinion will be greatly impacted. I’m aware of the surplus of opinions and assumptions on either side of this. Im not seeing a logical progression though. More like shoot first ask later. More along the lines of campaigning to put Trump in jail and then prosecuting him and then finding a charge. The whole scenario appears to be driven by an ends justifies the means ethic.
ZRX1200
a year ago
It’s a fact that the committee didn’t have 15 members, nor let the opposition party name seats, encrypted evidence and destroyed it…..

But Orange Man bad.
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a year ago
@77

Report: Justice Thomas’ wife urged overturning 2020 election

AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Virginia Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, sent weeks of text messages imploring White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to act to overturn the 2020 presidential election — furthering then-President Donald Trump’s lies that the free and fair vote was marred by nonexistent fraud, according to copies of the messages obtained by The Washington Post and CBS News.

The 29 messages the pair exchanged came in the weeks after the vote in November 2020, when Trump and his top allies were still saying they planned to go to the Supreme Court to have its results voided.

The Post reported that on Nov. 10, three days after the election and after The Associated Press and other news outlets declared Democrat Joe Biden the winner, Virginia Thomas, a conservative activist, texted to Meadows: “Help This Great President stand firm, Mark!!! ... You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America’s constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History.”

Copies of the texts — 21 sent by her, eight sent in reply by Meadows — were provided to the House select committee investigating the deadly insurrection that saw a mob of mostly Trump supporters overrun the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. The AP attempted to get the same information from the committee, but it declined to comment.

The texts do not directly reference Thomas’ husband or the Supreme Court. But she has previously admitted to attending the Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally that preceded the Capitol riot. Virginia Thomas also has previously denied conflicts of interest between her activism and her husband’s place on the high court.

Still, the messages show she was urging the top levels of the Trump administration to try to throw out the 2020 election results, and even offering coaching to Meadows on how best to do so. Thomas urged lawyer Sidney Powell, who promoted false claims about the election, to be “the lead and the face” of the Trump legal team.


Meadows’ attorney, George Terwilliger III, told the Post and CBS that neither he nor Meadows would comment on individual texts, adding, “nothing about the text messages presents any legal issues.”

Justice Thomas, 73, has been hospitalized for treatment from an infection. He and his wife did not respond to the outlets’ request for comment.

In February 2021, the Supreme Court rejected challenges to the election. Justice Thomas dissented, calling the ruling not to hear arguments in the case “befuddling” and “inexplicable.”

In a Nov. 5 message to Meadows, Virginia Thomas quoted material that had appeared on right-wing fringe websites: “Biden crime family & ballot fraud co-conspirators (elected officials, bureaucrats, social media censorship mongers, fake stream media reporters, etc) are being arrested & detained for ballot fraud right now & over coming days, & will be living in barges off GITMO to face military tribunals for sedition.”

In a subsequent text the next day, Thomas wrote to Meadows, “Do not concede.”

The messages also suggest that Meadows was willing to continue pursuing ways to overturn the election. He replied to one message from Thomas: “I will stand firm. We will fight until there is no fight left. Our country is too precious to give up on. Thanks for all you do.”

The texts between Thomas and Meadows stop after November 24, 2020. But the committee received another message sent on Jan. 10, 2021, four days after the mob attack on the Capitol, according to the Post and CBS.

“We are living through what feels like the end of America,” Thomas wrote to Meadows in it.
Abrignac
a year ago

28 U.S. Code § 455 - Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge.....

rfenst wrote:


Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm thinking the only measure of oversight Congress has in terms of judicial conduct is the power of removal from office first by impeachment in the House followed by conviction in the Senate. As far as dictating what they can or cannot do wouldn't that breach the separation of powers doctrine?
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