DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

So you see this as a political issue.

I see it with engineering eyes. And no - I did not buy an EV to save the planet.
In fact, it was not even a real consideration.




Love the thread though - so many people fighting windmills...

Brewha wrote:



I'm glad you don't believe you're trying to save the planet. Everyone should own a few slaves right? Windmills eh?

Rogan Guest Goes Viral After Exposing "Subhuman" And "Appalling" Cobalt Mining Conditions In Congo



There is one part to the "green" EV revolution that we have written about - but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the "appalling" way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

After a recent Joe Rogan podcast that went out to the viral host's 40 million plus listeners, we're hopeful that dialogue may finally start to take place.

Siddharth Kara, who is a Harvard visiting professor and also the author of “Cobalt Red: How The Blood of The Congo Powers Our Lives" took to the podcast last week with comments about cobalt mining that already have more than a million listens.

He told Rogan that there's no such thing as "clean cobalt" and that the term was "all marketing," according to a wrap up of the podcast by the NY Post. He noted that the level of suffering of Congolese people working in cobalt mines was "astounding", the report says.

“I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines," he told Rogan. 

Yet, modern demand for cobalt doesn't look like it's going to slow down any time soon. “Cobalt is in every single lithium, rechargeable battery manufactured in the world today," Kara said to Rogan. 

“Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo. And it’s being mined in appalling, heart-wrenching, dangerous conditions.” 

“By and large the world doesn’t know what’s happening," he continued. “...it just so happened that the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined."

“Before anyone knew what was happening, [the] Chinese government [and] Chinese mining companies took control of almost all the big mines and the local population has been displaced,” he told Rogan. 

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.” 


Meanwhile the report notes that the Biden administration recently "entered into an agreement with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia" to help bolster the supply of such materials, despite these issues. 

You can listen to the full comments here:



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rogan-guest-goes-viral-after-exposing-subhuman-and-appalling-cobalt-mining-conditions-congo 



Don't forget to read the comments on the YouTube video.

Here's another vid



"With climate change hitting harder every year, businesses, governments, and individuals are increasingly embracing electric vehicles and wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources. While that’s great for the atmosphere, it’s hell on the Earth. “Green” power has an Achilles heel: It requires staggering amounts of natural resources. Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars involves a kaleidoscopic array of materials, from copper and tin to exotic elements like neodymium. To meet the surging demand for all that “green” hardware, we’ll need to mine an additional 10 million tons of copper every year. We’ll need to dig up 20 times more cobalt and lithium than we do today. Gouging out those metals is creating its own set of human and environmental catastrophes, from children risking their lives in Congolese cobalt quarries to toxin-spewing rare earth mines in China."

https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/real-costs-green-energy

Seems there's no "win" with Green like we're being told. Sounds great, but that 20 cents to the dollar claim? We can put that to bed. It's a lie in the long term.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Remember when virtue signaling for profit, stated goals are all that matter.

Well that, tyrannical control and profits.
HockeyDad
3 years ago
That cobalt ain’t gonna dig itself! Someone’s kids gotta do it.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

That cobalt ain’t gonna dig itself! Someone’s kids gotta do it.

HockeyDad wrote:




Wait...kids.

Kids will get paid 20 cent to the dollar!

Lefty gets to feel good again as their Tesla makes farting noises.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
NYC Electric Garbage Truck Plans Hit Wall After Trucks "Conked Out" Plowing Snow After Just Four Hours



In a move that absolutely nobody could have seen coming, New York City is scrapping its brilliant idea for electric garbage trucks after finding out the truck simply "aren't powerful enough to plow snow".

The pipe dream of converting the city's 6,000 garbage trucks from gas to electric in order to try and limit carbon emissions (because there's no other problems that need to be dealt with in New York City right now) is "clashing with the limits of electric-powered vehicles," Gothamist wrote this week.

The city's current trucks run on diesel and can be fitted with plows in the winter. 

Despite the shortcomings, the city Department of Sanitation' has already ordered seven electric rear loader garbage trucks, custom-made by Mack, the report says. Those trucks cost an astonishing $523,000 each and are to be delivered this spring. 

Sanitation Commissioner Jessica Tisch told the NYC city council earlier this month: “We found that they could not plow the snow effectively – they basically conked out after four hours. We need them to go 12 hours. Given the current state of the technology, I don't see today a path forward to fully electrifying the rear loader portion of the fleet by 2040."

“We can't really make significant progress in converting our rear loader fleet until the snow challenges are addressed,” she continued.

Many other cities don't use their garbage trucks to plow snow, the report notes. Places that get a lot of snow, like Denver, have their own committed light duty trucks outfitted with plows, which operate more efficiently. 

New York City, however, has committed to plowing each street and doing so by putting the city's 2,100 trucks to work to clear the "equivalent of 19,000 miles of street lanes". 

In addition to...well, not being able to get the job done, charging has also been a holdup with electric trucks, Tisch said: “..this charging infrastructure requires additional space and often new electrical utility connections that can require substantial capital investments."

Harry Nespoli, the president of Teamsters Local 831 union representing sanitation workers also isn't sold on the idea: “How much power do they have? Can they run 12-hour shifts without a charge? I don't know.”

Sanitation spokesperson Vincent Gragnani concluded: “​​With current technology, full electrification isn’t possible now for some parts of our fleet, but we are monitoring closely and really hope it will be.”

Let us know how that turns out, Vinny.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nyc-electric-garbage-truck-plans-hit-wall-after-trucks-conked-out-plowing-snow-after-just 


Huh...it's like they just forgot to think and even research the matter. Just went all in on a technology that isn't even close to being ready for the sake of what? Lord knows it's not to save the environment! I wonder if it's just to line the pockets of China...our piggybank...with more money.

You can almost hear Cali cancelling their bad idea in cancelling internal combustion engines real soon.
Brewha
3 years ago
Critical update on the tech here:

This weekend I tricked all the kids, in different groups, to bend down low and look at the head lights while I made the car fart loudly from my phone.




I love technology….
HockeyDad
3 years ago
At least you didn’t “roll coal”!
ZRX1200
3 years ago
So is this the new cool things for Fudds instead of saying “pull my finger”??
Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
I can do the same thing for thousands less and only minimal damage to the ozone layer. Pennies on the dollar, I'm telling ya
MACS
3 years ago
Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.
HockeyDad
3 years ago

Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.

MACS wrote:



I would prefer a Tesla over a horse drawn carriage.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago
Anyone see this story yet?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11598475/PICTURED-Doctor-intentionally-drove-family-cliff-Tesla.html 


All passengers survived the crash off a cliff!

Pretty sure the EMS and Fire Department were amused with the fart sounds though.
8trackdisco
3 years ago

Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.

MACS wrote:



Am certainly intrigued by them. Still holding off for now.
Maybe some of the issues causing me pause will be better addressed in the coming months/year or two.



8trackdisco
3 years ago

Anyone see this story yet?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11598475/PICTURED-Doctor-intentionally-drove-family-cliff-Tesla.html 


All passengers survived the crash off a cliff!

Pretty sure the EMS and Fire Department were amused with the fart sounds though.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Just saw the story on News Nation. 250 foot fall off of a cliff and they all survive? Those facts will find themselves into a Tesla commercial soon.
BuckyB93
3 years ago

Not gonna lie... having an absolute blast riding the electric bike.

MACS wrote:



I'm a big fan of mine too. I actually have two of them now. Bought my son his first car a few months back and now he has no use for his the e-bike that I bought him last year.
8trackdisco
3 years ago

I'm glad you don't believe you're trying to save the planet. Everyone should own a few slaves right? Windmills eh?

Rogan Guest Goes Viral After Exposing "Subhuman" And "Appalling" Cobalt Mining Conditions In Congo



There is one part to the "green" EV revolution that we have written about - but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the "appalling" way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

After a recent Joe Rogan podcast that went out to the viral host's 40 million plus listeners, we're hopeful that dialogue may finally start to take place.

Siddharth Kara, who is a Harvard visiting professor and also the author of “Cobalt Red: How The Blood of The Congo Powers Our Lives" took to the podcast last week with comments about cobalt mining that already have more than a million listens.

He told Rogan that there's no such thing as "clean cobalt" and that the term was "all marketing," according to a wrap up of the podcast by the NY Post. He noted that the level of suffering of Congolese people working in cobalt mines was "astounding", the report says.

“I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines," he told Rogan. 

Yet, modern demand for cobalt doesn't look like it's going to slow down any time soon. “Cobalt is in every single lithium, rechargeable battery manufactured in the world today," Kara said to Rogan. 

“Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo. And it’s being mined in appalling, heart-wrenching, dangerous conditions.” 

“By and large the world doesn’t know what’s happening," he continued. “...it just so happened that the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined."

“Before anyone knew what was happening, [the] Chinese government [and] Chinese mining companies took control of almost all the big mines and the local population has been displaced,” he told Rogan. 

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.” 


Meanwhile the report notes that the Biden administration recently "entered into an agreement with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Zambia" to help bolster the supply of such materials, despite these issues. 

You can listen to the full comments here:



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rogan-guest-goes-viral-after-exposing-subhuman-and-appalling-cobalt-mining-conditions-congo 



Don't forget to read the comments on the YouTube video.

Here's another vid



"With climate change hitting harder every year, businesses, governments, and individuals are increasingly embracing electric vehicles and wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources. While that’s great for the atmosphere, it’s hell on the Earth. “Green” power has an Achilles heel: It requires staggering amounts of natural resources. Manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, and electric cars involves a kaleidoscopic array of materials, from copper and tin to exotic elements like neodymium. To meet the surging demand for all that “green” hardware, we’ll need to mine an additional 10 million tons of copper every year. We’ll need to dig up 20 times more cobalt and lithium than we do today. Gouging out those metals is creating its own set of human and environmental catastrophes, from children risking their lives in Congolese cobalt quarries to toxin-spewing rare earth mines in China."

https://pulitzercenter.org/projects/real-costs-green-energy

Seems there's no "win" with Green like we're being told. Sounds great, but that 20 cents to the dollar claim? We can put that to bed. It's a lie in the long term.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Thanks for the head's up on the Rogan podcast. Have fallen away from the show recently as it is becoming the same old same old. An MMA guy, a dozen of his favorite comedians, some outdoors people.
Ram27
3 years ago
The IDIOT that drove off the cliff has-been charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER WAS TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF AND FAMILY. 😣
Brewha
3 years ago

The IDIOT that drove off the cliff has-been charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER WAS TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF AND FAMILY. ](*,)

Ram27 wrote:


And attempted it in the safest US made car there is.
Not so smart….
Brewha
3 years ago

I would prefer a Tesla over a horse drawn carriage.

HockeyDad wrote:


What’s your horses name?
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Can we get in early on a class action suit for all the safety problems in the cobalt mines?

Have you or a loved one ever mined for cobalt at Camp Lejeune….
Please call (214) 914-3337 immediately and ask for Dave.
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