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Sunoverbeach
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3 years ago

#221

If you're lucky, they won't turn it into an SUV

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#222

Toyota is betting big on hydrogen. The pollution is incredibly small. If they are right, Tesla go bye bye. I hope they are right.

Speyside2 wrote:

Toyota is the only auto manufacturer playing this whole hysteria correctly. Most of the idiots running some legacy companies now have gone full retard and leapt at the government cheese to cut off their body to offer up their arms. Sheer lunacy. Toyota is patiently sitting back and watching. Don't think they don't know and understand the EV platform, they do. They fully get it and they're in the business to make money. They're not full bent with the woke/green crowd. Those types are going to get washed away. I'm not saying the technology for EV isn't there. It is. IF you want to destroy the planet for the sake of substituting petroleum for lithium and cobalt. Hydrogen could be a game changer. It's still considered way too dangerous and remember we're talking about automobiles being driven by humans. Find a way to perfect that and all the idiots lining up for battery replacements or better yet...newer cheaper EV's because they lowered their prices...because...well...they had to keep up with the Kardashians and stick trendy in their garage. They'll tell you they're not doing it for saving the planet. They'll tell you all the virtues of their recent purchase and have for years with the hybrid models...they've either moved on from them or out of them why?

Of all the companies out there I kinda expected Honda to act the way Toyota is now. Toyota is positioning them and their profit margins for long term success.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#223

Wyoming Lawmakers Propose Bill to Phase Out EVs by 2035

A group of six Republican lawmakers in Wyoming are proposing to phase out the sale of new electric vehicles in the state by 2035 to protect its oil and gas industries and preserve critical resources.

In their bill, introduced to the state legislature on Friday, the Republicans said that oil and gas production has “long been one of Wyoming’s proud and valued industries,” which has created countless jobs and contributed to state revenue. They also highlighted the important role gas-powered vehicles have been playing in Wyoming’s trade and transportation.

“The proliferation of electric vehicles at the expense of gas-powered vehicles will have deleterious impacts on Wyoming’s communities and will be detrimental to Wyoming’s economy and the ability for the country to efficiently engage in commerce,” the bill reads.

The lawmakers also expressed concerns that Wyoming’s infrastructure won’t be able to support the widespread use of electric vehicles. Specifically, they said, it’s simply impracticable to install all the charging stations needed across the state’s long-stretching highway system.

“The batteries used in electric vehicles contain critical minerals whose domestic supply is limited and at risk for disruption,” they added. “The critical minerals used in electric batteries are not easily recyclable or disposable, meaning that municipal landfills in Wyoming and elsewhere will be required to develop practices to dispose of these minerals in a safe and responsible manner.”

The proposal didn’t get enough support to advance out of the Wyoming’s Senate Minerals, Business and Economic Development Committee.

Electric vehicles use lithium for batteries, and neodymium, praseodymium, dysprosium, and terbium for drivetrain systems. These minerals are also needed to produce America’s next-generation military weapons such as F-35 fighter jets and precision-guided missiles.

Most of the world’s supply of processed rare earth minerals is currently coming out of China.

Phasing out EVs in Wyoming “will help preserve the country’s critical minerals for vital purposes,” the bill says.

The proposal is a response to President Joe Biden’s goal of ensuring that half of all new cars sold in the United States are electric by 2030.

“A future of the automobile industry, that is electric,” Biden said in 2021 during a White House event announcing a target. “It’s electric, and there’s no turning back. The question is whether it will lead or fall behind in the race for the future.”

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To meet the president’s goal, the United States needs at least 10 times the supply of rare earth minerals it is getting now, according to Pini Althaus, the CEO of USA Rare Earth, a Florida-based company that owns one of the largest deposits of heavy rare-earth elements in Texas.

“We probably need about 20 to 25 times more than we have now between now and 2050,” he said in 2021 on the TechFirst podcast.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-to-phase-out-evs-by-2035_4989515.html?

I left the link in there...cuz.

“We understand the desire to move towards more environmentally friendly sales of vehicles; however, the consumer demand is not there yet, or even 12 years from now, in 2035,” Greg Remensperger, executive vice president of the Oregon Auto Dealers Association, told The Epoch Times.

“We just don’t think the industry is going to be at a point where it will serve as 100 percent of the consumer demands.”

I think Wyoming took the EV to the train station.

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Speyside2
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3 years ago

#224

So here is the big Kahuna question. I have never found even a somewhat accurate attempt to answer this. How much pollution does driving an electric car create. Let's start with the electricity consumed. Then let's add in the Lithium and Cobalt hell hole. Then just for kicks lets add in what to do with dead batteries. Less polution, I need numbers to convince me of that. There are not any.

Sunoverbeach
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3 years ago

#225

There are. They just seem unusually difficult to locate in a nice succinct table

BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#226

Speyside2 wrote:

I posed this in the original post to start the conversation here.

Snippet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV9ijKAubfU

Full Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sa5JkeerRo

I'm not anti electric vehicles but force feeding a full electric vehicle policy without addressing the (many) other elephants in the room and the bigger picture is a stupid way to go about it.

rockmiesterr
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3 years ago

#227

Hemp.....is what Ford used in his first caa...

What's wrong with that.......

BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#228

Hemp.....is what Ford used in his first caa...

What's wrong with that.......

rockmiesterr wrote:

I thought hemp is the world's premiere food source. I read it here so it must be true.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#229

If only there was a way to put the words "How much pollution does driving an electric car create" into something to search and find them.

Speyside2
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3 years ago

#230

That is worthless. Did the electric come from coal, natural gas, hydro, or nuclear? How many more generation plants will need to be built to meet demand? What polution does building those plants create? Those are the starting point questions. As far as information out there I find articles that are oppinions, because the data set needed does not exist.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#231

Speyside2 wrote:

Wouldn't that depend on where you live, your driving habits and another whole host of things not even remotely discussed because we HAVE to kill petroleum off and we HAVE to have EV's?

I point to Europe as they're shuttering nuclear power plants down and going to "totally green" methods. That's insanity.

Maybe TW has the data you're looking for sitting right next to the Covid19 data everyone here was looking for. Said he had it.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#232

Man plugs in electric truck, learns it will take a week to charge

A man plugged in his electric vehicle at home and learned that recharging it would not be a timely venture.

YouTuber TFLEV shared that on Sunday, while at home, he plugged in his brand-new electric Hummer truck, which has a 250kwh battery, only to find that it would take several days for him to get a complete charge.

“Time to complete charge, Friday at 8:30 a.m.,” the YouTuber said. “And range increase is 1 mph.”

https://youtu.be/bqls8xq9vSY

“That’s what happens when you try to charge the largest battery truck using a 120 outlet,” he added.

The YouTuber suggested using a Level Two outfitted EV charger or a public fast charger.

Coltura, a nonprofit organization supporting the use of EVs, suggested Level Two chargers can cost “from $500 to $2,000 before installation” and require 250V circuitry.

The current colder temperatures affecting much of the United States have also been noted as having an impact on charging rates.

A brother and sister duo rented a Tesla in December to find that the battery drained faster than it would charge.

Another electric truck user recently ran into range troubles when trying to tow 10,000 pounds with the Rivian R1T in 34-degree weather.

Earlier this month, Tesla was fined for not disclosing that the electric vehicle has a shorter driving range in colder temperatures.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/electric-truck-will-take-a-week-to-charge

He was already at 49% battery capacity. Sunday to Friday???? Not everyone can simply upgrade to 220 at their house...so there's that...Anyone seeing that this isn't going to be feasible by 2030 yet?

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clintCigar
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3 years ago

#233

I won't be selling my diesel truck anytime soon.

dkeage
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3 years ago

#234

Wyoming Lawmakers Propose Bill to Phase Out EVs by 2035

DrMaddVibe wrote:

GO WYO

Brewha
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3 years ago

#235

Their last great idea was to make fart noises with Teslas. So, there's that.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

UPDATE; their last great move was to drop the price of their cars an average of 17%.

Many models will now get the $7,500 tax credit off of the sticker price.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#236

Saw pics recently of a proposed E-Corvette. Now they are just going too far.[-(

deadeyedick wrote:

GM is rolling it out. It’s still a V8 Vett, but they added an electric motor in the nose to get 0-60 in 2.5 seconds.

If the Vett is going to stay worked class, it will have to be electrified….

Brewha
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3 years ago

#237

Speyside2 wrote:

So, you care about pollution?

There is a lot of data out there about how much clearer EV’s are than ICE. Just have a look.

With governments and every major car manufacturer shifting to EV’s, it seem obvious that EVs’ are “better”.
You think GM is investing in this because they are altruistic? No Sir, it’s about them making money.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#238

Man plugs in electric truck, learns it will take a week to charge

DrMaddVibe wrote:

I think this really demonstrates that some people simply don’t have the gray matter to own an EV (or perhaps a car at all).

A “Level 2 Charger” can use the same wall plug as a cloths dryer - which is how I charge mine. So between midnight and 6 AM I get a “full tank”.

8trackdisco
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3 years ago

#239

Brewha wrote:

Are there any issues of leaving them plugged in for too long (overcharging)?

BuckyB93
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3 years ago

#240

So, you care about pollution?

There is a lot of data out there about how much clearer EV’s are than ICE. Just have a look.

Brewha wrote:

Are you willing to provide sources to support your broad based claim? (I'm guessing not as you have not even attempted to provide them). The truth is that they are not more Earth friendly than ICE if you look at the lifecycle of producing, using, and end of life for an EV vs an ICE. EV's lose in the big picture in so many ways. Sources for that have been provided within this thread but you refuse to look at them or address them, which is typical head in the sand behavior.

With governments and every major car manufacturer shifting to EV’s, it seem obvious that EVs’ are “better”.
You think GM is investing in this because they are altruistic? No Sir, it’s about them making money.

Brewha wrote:

Of course they are in the business of making money. That's the way things work. The money for EV manufacturing is to tap into the government subsidies and mandates. We've seen this in solar and wind "green energy" for decades but neither of them have produced any substantial return on investment without the subsidies provided by the government.

I'm not anti EV or solar or wind power. There is a time, place, and niche areas where they make sense. They are not the solution for a vast majority of the world. Sorry Charlie, try again.

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