Brewha
3 years ago

Um...no.

While I have the means I quite happy with my 2011 F250 6.2l. It's dents and dings but it's a farm truck that's been well loved and runs like a top because I take care of it. The 2020 Jeep Wrangler is a 3.0 turbo diesel and the wife is happy with her dream vehicle. Neither one "clunk"

Meanwhile, you have a car that you show off to children that farts. I despise the manner is which the DNC has enveloped the energy problem into a taxpayer drama saga with no end for no reason other than to follow the EU down a money draining epic failure.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Your disbelieve in the need to adopt green solutions like EV's is not a surprise. In fact you prolly don't think they are a green solution.

And I don't think you are right or fully understand, I'll give you this: you are not alone.
Brewha
3 years ago

No Einstein, the lies about how the EV is better for the planet. I used to think you were smart. Now? I believe you're trying to smell the farts your car makes.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Thanks for your thoughts Scare Crow.
BuckyB93
3 years ago

They came to install the garage door opener - an option I bought after purchase.

Full discloser - I have had to put air in the tires, now that the temperature has dropped.

Brewha wrote:



You had to buy a special garage door opener to go along with your Tesla?

WTF? Your previous one wasn't compatible?
BuckyB93
3 years ago

Your disbelieve in the need to adopt green solutions like EV's is not a surprise. In fact you prolly don't think they are a green solution.

And I don't think you are right or fully understand, I'll give you this: you are not alone.

Brewha wrote:



Other than the government trying to force it down the throat of the people, what is this "need to adopt green solutions" come from?

Any green solution that you come up with will still require the use of fossil fuels to make and deliver the products you use. Look around you, nearly everything is made from fossil fuels. The keyboard you are typing on, the TV that you watch, the remote that you use to change the channels on the TV, the shoes you wear, the clothing you wear, the carpet you walk on, the appliances in your kitchen, the clock hanging on your wall, the insulation in your house, the plumbing in your house, the insulation for the wiring in your house, the shingles on your roof, the containers that you store your food in, the glasses on your face, the containers that hold your medication, the rubber tires on your Tesla, the body panels and, probably 98.2% of the construction, for your Tesla... all are made from the refinement of fossil fuels. FACT, not opinion. The list is essentially endless.

Now let's touch on some of your examples that you've used to argue for government mandates for EVs and other "green" initiatives, shall we?

You've used the example of going from incandescent bulbs, to compact florescent, to LED to support your thesis (government mandates for the common good). That is a a FAIL. Moving from incandescent to CF to LED doesn't require an overhaul or redesigning a new electrical system for your house and/or the electric grid (up front capital expenses). EV's, solar and wind do and will require that. Your light bulb fixtures are like the honey badger, it don't give a $hit if you put in an incandescent, CF or LED bulb in it. It works the same without any rewiring or changes.

Your failed logic and talking points also apply to some of your other examples that you use such as seat belts, low flow shower heads, toilets, plumbing fixtures. All of these are simple drop in changes that don't require the consumer nor the water/energy suppliers to come up with a rather large chunk of change in capital expense in order to implement and support them.

I'm not saying to stop the development of alternative sources of energy and raw materials. I'm all for trying to be more efficient. But the way we are going about it (shutting down harvesting oil, coal, natural gas and the refinement and production of this sources of raw materials) is not feasible until we have a solid and proven replacement for them. So far we don't and we are orders of magnitude away from doing so.

You can't just say that we'll figure it out later and *Poof* a miracle happens, that's not the way of the real world.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

Your disbelieve in the need to adopt green solutions like EV's is not a surprise. In fact you prolly don't think they are a green solution.

And I don't think you are right or fully understand, I'll give you this: you are not alone.

Brewha wrote:




There was a time where I really believed it to be an option. It's doing much more harm to the planet than even realized. During the financial meltdown I posted here that the govt. should buy Tesla outright and use it like the VW was for Germany. An affordable decent car for the common people. I'm not going to hunt that thread down, but I did post it so don't go where you do without knowing I've been reading about it for a very long time. Seeing Toyota fail with their battery technology and the costs associated with the Prius were eye-opening facts you choose to ignore. Sure the tech has gotten better while the stripmining has gotten worse.

As far as not being alone? No. I'm not.

Wind Turbines Are Burning, Collapsing in Green Energy Setback



No one's been killed or injured -- yet -- but a rash of wind turbine failures is jarring a key cornerstone of the green energy movement, according to a new Bloomberg report.

The unwelcome trend of malfunctions -- which includes both breakdowns and total structural collapses -- is being witnessed in the United States and Europe alike. As this rare 2008 video of a collapse indicates, the phenomenon isn't brand new, but insiders say the frequency is spiking.

Perhaps most disturbingly, recently-manufactured windmills are among latest string of casualties. “We’re seeing these failures happening in a shorter time frame on the newer turbines, and that’s quite concerning,” Fraser McLachlan, CEO of GCube Underwriting Ltd tells Bloomberg.

Last summer, a GE turbine that had been installed less than a year earlier buckled in half. Within a week, the same model notched another failure in Colorado.

The failures aren't limited to a single manufacturer or model. The West's three biggest manufacturers -- GE, Vestas Wind Systems and Siemens are all facing hundreds of millions of dollars in additional costs.

Bloomberg reports that Vestas, GE and Siemens Gamesa have all confirmed that pressure to quickly introduce more powerful turbines has led to the stumbles. In response, they're slowing the pace of innovation.

“Rapid innovation strains manufacturing and the broader supply chain,” said GE CEO Larry Culp on an October earnings call. “It takes time to stabilize production and quality on these new products.”

The damage to bottom lines is already appearing: On Friday, Siemens lowered its forecasted 2023 earnings due to elevated warranty and maintenance costs associated with faulty Siemens Gamesa wind turbine components. GE took a half-billion-dollar charge in its third quarter for higher warranty and repair costs.

That financial damage to this green energy sector could be compounded in short order, as a higher frequency of claims is likely to prompt a hike in insurance premiums.


Of course, even when they're not falling victim to define flaws, wind turbines are always under steady attack by nature, with lightning strikes inflicting many casualties ...and putting on quite a show on the way out.

That isn't the only trouble for windmills. After 7 whales washed up dead on New York and New Jersey beaches in a little over a month, environmentalist are pointing a finger at offshore wind farm development and demanding it be halted pending an investigation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/wind-turbines-are-burning-collapsing-green-energy-setback 



https://youtu.be/TNrtHf9jJB8
Brewha
3 years ago

You had to buy a special garage door opener to go along with your Tesla?

WTF? Your previous one wasn't compatible?

BuckyB93 wrote:


My remote clips on the sun visor and worked just fine.

The transmitter I bought is GPS based, goes in the nose of the car and shows up on the main display.
When you get close to home, it pops up and tells you it will open the door in 20 feet, 10 ft, 5 ft, opening the door - with the option to abort.

So I bought not having to press the button.

#howcoolisthat
Brewha
3 years ago

Other than the government trying to force it down the throat of the people, what is this "need to adopt green solutions" come from?

Any green solution that you come up with will still require the use of fossil fuels to make and deliver the products you use. Look around you, nearly everything is made from fossil fuels. The keyboard you are typing on, the TV that you watch, the remote that you use to change the channels on the TV, the shoes you wear, the clothing you wear, the carpet you walk on, the appliances in your kitchen, the clock hanging on your wall, the insulation in your house, the plumbing in your house, the insulation for the wiring in your house, the shingles on your roof, the containers that you store your food in, the glasses on your face, the containers that hold your medication, the rubber tires on your Tesla, the body panels and, probably 98.2% of the construction, for your Tesla... all are made from the refinement of fossil fuels. FACT, not opinion. The list is essentially endless.

Now let's touch on some of your examples that you've used to argue for government mandates for EVs and other "green" initiatives, shall we?

You've used the example of going from incandescent bulbs, to compact florescent, to LED to support your thesis (government mandates for the common good). That is a a FAIL. Moving from incandescent to CF to LED doesn't require an overhaul or redesigning a new electrical system for your house and/or the electric grid (up front capital expenses). EV's, solar and wind do and will require that. Your light bulb fixtures are like the honey badger, it don't give a $hit if you put in an incandescent, CF or LED bulb in it. It works the same without any rewiring or changes.

Your failed logic and talking points also apply to some of your other examples that you use such as seat belts, low flow shower heads, toilets, plumbing fixtures. All of these are simple drop in changes that don't require the consumer nor the water/energy suppliers to come up with a rather large chunk of change in capital expense in order to implement and support them.

I'm not saying to stop the development of alternative sources of energy and raw materials. I'm all for trying to be more efficient. But the way we are going about it (shutting down harvesting oil, coal, natural gas and the refinement and production of this sources of raw materials) is not feasible until we have a solid and proven replacement for them. So far we don't and we are orders of magnitude away from doing so.

You can't just say that we'll figure it out later and *Poof* a miracle happens, that's not the way of the real world.

BuckyB93 wrote:



Solid and proven? Did mention I own one?

Ok - you know of no need to adopt green tech. Is that right?



No improvements are 100% green. If we all went to bicycles, someone would point out the impact of making steel.
Cleaning things up is a game of percentages, multiplied by millions of people. So little bits count.

The EV "mandates" are easy for anyone to avoid to decades to come. Don't want a better car - don't buy one.
Is it really just that you don't like the government regulating things? Because is kinda the way things work ya know.



Besides - you ask about the future of EVs.

Now you wanted to get to the truth and dispel myths. Did you look at the EPA link I posted for you?

MACS
3 years ago
50 years of failed climate predictions in 15 minutes!

Brewha
3 years ago
Maybe this will help:

Who SHOULD NOT buy and EV:

1. People without a place to charge at home. Maybe you live in an apartment, rental, or van down by the river.

2. Your home does not have enough electrical power to run a cloths dryer (dedicated 30 amp circuit). Afterall, it’s prolly a van down by the river.

3. You drive more that 200 miles a day and are often not home at night.

4. You do lots of long range interstate travel in your car, and can drive for 8 hours without a bathroom break.

5. You don’t like EV’s. They are for green minded, tree hugging, Libtards.

6. New technology bothers you – your phone doesn’t have a camera, you only use cash, and NOTHING is better than 8-track.

7. People who love oil changes.

8. People who love manual transitions.

9. Someone who’s life goal is to cut the soles off their shoes, live in a tree, and learn to play the flute.

10. If you live on a dead end street – cause there is no outlet.

11. Because you don’t have a “current” license.

12. Maybe your Madagascar is all you can afford.
MACS
3 years ago
Pretty sure the science has already established the minerals and materials mined for the lithium batteries is actually worse for the environment, they have no plan for the disposal of said batteries, and the people used to mine said materials are not protected by OSHA, nor do they have unions to ensure fair pay for the hazardous duty they are exposed to.

Just saying...
Brewha
3 years ago

Pretty sure the science has already established the minerals and materials mined for the lithium batteries is actually worse for the environment, they have no plan for the disposal of said batteries, and the people used to mine said materials are not protected by OSHA, nor do they have unions to ensure fair pay for the hazardous duty they are exposed to.

Just saying...

MACS wrote:


You - are sure of science?

That’s novel.
Brewha
3 years ago
Besides that - if “we” don’t give a sh1t about the environment, than way care about mining rare earths?

Elemental chemical that are Metals are rather and particularly recyclable. Plastics not so much. But lithium, cobalt…..iron - separate with heat, and be rendered pure and reused.

If gas cars are not bad for the environment then who gives a fook about mining metals?
MACS
3 years ago

You - are sure of science?

That’s novel.

Brewha wrote:



Science, as a rule, is not settled. Can we agree on that?

And again... I'm not against EV's as a rule. If you got one and you love it, good for you. Happy for you. Really.

If I had a need for one, I'd probably get one... like the Ebike I got.

Just don't like people pretending that they're saving the environment. They're not.
Brewha
3 years ago

Science, as a rule, is not settled. Can we agree on that?

And again... I'm not against EV's as a rule. If you got one and you love it, good for you. Happy for you. Really.

If I had a need for one, I'd probably get one... like the Ebike I got.

Just don't like people pretending that they're saving the environment. They're not.

MACS wrote:


Yes - science is not settled - that is fair.

I would not tell you that EV will save the environment.
I would say that they are a needed step in the right direction - but I suppose the science is not settled either way.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

Maybe this will help:

Who SHOULD NOT buy and EV:

1. People without a place to charge at home. Maybe you live in an apartment, rental, or van down by the river.

2. Your home does not have enough electrical power to run a cloths dryer (dedicated 30 amp circuit). Afterall, it’s prolly a van down by the river.

3. You drive more that 200 miles a day and are often not home at night.

4. You do lots of long range interstate travel in your car, and can drive for 8 hours without a bathroom break.

5. You don’t like EV’s. They are for green minded, tree hugging, Libtards.

6. New technology bothers you – your phone doesn’t have a camera, you only use cash, and NOTHING is better than 8-track.

7. People who love oil changes.

8. People who love manual transitions.

9. Someone who’s life goal is to cut the soles off their shoes, live in a tree, and learn to play the flute.

10. If you live on a dead end street – cause there is no outlet.

11. Because you don’t have a “current” license.

12. Maybe your Madagascar is all you can afford.

Brewha wrote:




13. You need a truck to pick up 15 bales of hay and 6 50 lb bags of horse feed and 1 50 lb bag of laying crumbles and 2 55lb bags of dog food.

14. You don't buy into what the WEF and UN tell you to do.

15. You want to drive a real car like Pedo Joe and store classified docs in it in the garage.

16. You want a vehicle that you can be seen in and not laughed at.
delta1
3 years ago
the use of fossil fuels to produce EVs is a fact...and would also be used to produce a combustible engine vehicle...

the amount of fossil fuel exhaust NOT produced by a combustion engine vehicle that has been substituted for by an EV is also a measurable fact...a net reduction...an EV on the road is one less ICE veh...



the fossil fuel industry propaganda machine continues to produce misinformation and disinformation to obscure their own role in climate change, despite internal documents that acknowledge their understanding of the phenomena...but instead of acknowledging it, their public message was denial...and they had a whole buncha folks willing to be fooled...just like the tobacco companies...

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/01/harvard-led-analysis-finds-exxonmobil-internal-research-accurately-predicted-climate-change/ 
Abrignac
3 years ago
A new study recently released makes a case that it may be more expensive to “refuel” an EV than one with an ICE.
Link to the article :
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/real-world-electric-vehicle-fueling-costs-may-surprise-new-ev-drivers/ 

Link to actual study:
https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/EVtransition_FuelingCostStudy_10-27-21_table5-expanded.pdf 
frankj1
3 years ago
eventually we will stop or radically cut back on burning fossil fuels.
And that will be when it's all figured out.
And people will be glad, and we'll be better off.

I believe in the marketplace.
DrMaddVibe
3 years ago

eventually we will stop or radically cut back on burning fossil fuels.
And that will be when it's all figured out.
And people will be glad, and we'll be better off.

I believe in the marketplace.

frankj1 wrote:




What an odd statement.

What given the tulips, yo-yo's, beanie babies and pet rocks. Once marketplace rulers.

EV's right now are a fad vehicle being forced onto the marketplace with government mandates and ridiculous requirements that are going to be constantly rolled back over time much the same way Manbearpig's we're all gonna drown and Polar bears are going extinct. Anyone believing letting little kids and poor nations stripmine the Earth for minerals is saving the planet from the Petroleum industry are only fooling themselves.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/long-oil-climate-change-needs-offramp-so-it-being-imposed-market-most-brutal-manners 

The gnashing of teeth and lamentations of women are soon coming as the Gen 1 batteries are coming up for replacement. I really wonder how many of those actually replace them or go back to an ICE vehicle.

Pedo Joe and his Green New Deal not only killed American energy independence, but cratered the economy. They've admitted they were wrong to cancel the pipeline, but you don't see them reversing course do you? It also cost us a valuable Middle East ally that was partnered up with the US, Jordan and Israel against Iran as the despicable actor they are. Now, Saudi Arabia is in the China/Russian camp firmly and Iran is their little pitbull.
frankj1
3 years ago
not so odd, actually....

there was a lot of opposition to the first generations of the Horseless Carriages too. They tried steam, electricity, etc.
And all that back firing skeered off the horses!

I'm thinking that with all the research and development efforts happening as we type, there will be lithium free/other rare minerals free batteries, or some other energy system reaching the market in a few years.

(I coulda swore you hated Saudi before finding them useful as a political attack vehicle)
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