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DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#341

Doctor Madd Vibe, you cut me to the quick.

Me in my little Model 3 driving off the cliff of the Green Conspiracy. Along with an ever growing crowd of other EV lemmings. I feel most sorry for the ones in the BMW’s (but that’s a whole nother thread).

Yes - poor us.

I suppose that you cast yourself as a modern day Cassandra.
Things did not go so well for her, you know.

Brewha wrote:

Feel free to believe whatever you want in your fantastical government funded farting mobile.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#342

Feel free to believe whatever you want in your fantastical government funded farting mobile.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Your envy is palpable.

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#343

I think the non-doctor is vibrating envy while he drives around in his gas guzzling ice cream truck.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#344

Madagascar syndrome.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#345

More predictions about the Future of EVs.

The cost will drop. EV’s are a lot simpler to build than ICE cars. Right now, the low production and cost of tooling has them as being typically more expensive than ICE. IN the next years as production increases and competition grows they will get a lot cheaper.

China will beat us for a time. China has a terrible air pollution problem and both a people and government that want/need EV’s. Car companies like BYD, Nio, and Wuling are starting to produce genuinely cost-effective cars sale sale in China. Even Tesla Shanghai is feeling the pressure.

Stores and Apartments will have car charges. Locally stores like Whole Foods and Kohl’s already have chargers for their customers – some are free. Even Top Golf as a charger in the parking lot. And in the higher rent districts today, people favor and apartment with a level 2 hookup – This will spread down the food chain in the coming years.

The cost difference between fueling and EV and an ICE will grow. In the next 10-20 years, as the car population shift to electric, people will buy less gas and the cost of distributing gas will grow. The lower sales mean less profit, so the sales margins will creep up to.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#346

🤔

Boy howdy...if I would've plunked down the luxury rate these cars are going at right now...and they're being discounted hard...might be a bit "disenfranchised"...but hey, with the National Debt soaring...tack this rebate to it.

Those fart sounds make any difference up in the purchase price!!!

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#347

Free Market, baby!

Just think of the tax credit as our little slice of large businesses paying zero tax.
Feels better, don't it?

Gene363
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#348

Do the math and check the geography, Peter Zaihan.

Joe Rogan: “EV’s Are A Disaster". Will Electric Vehicles Be Around For The Long Term?

The escape pod: https://cigarbid.freeforums.net

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#349

Free Market, baby!

Just think of the tax credit as our little slice of large businesses paying zero tax.
Feels better, don't it?

Brewha wrote:

Not only did you vote for this but now you're bragging about getting took on your fantastical fart mobile?

Only you.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#350

Do the math and check the geography, Peter Zaihan.

Joe Rogan: “EV’s Are A Disaster". Will Electric Vehicles Be Around For The Long Term?

Gene363 wrote:

I listened to part of it but to be honest I love to watch rather than listen to Joe Rogan. While listening his vocal inflections are awesome. They do a magnificent job with the guests too. Just something though seeing Joe get worked up or excited about that just doesn't translate well to radio.

As we see manufacturers pricing themselves out of marketshare Tesla will remain viable the longest. The last ones to the party will have to give away or be part of some rebate progam. Government tried to use them for public works and it failed. Curious to see how Amazon fares toting around parcel all day with them. I'm not a fan of putting the purchase of a car on the backs of people that don't want one...don't need one and didn't ask for one.

Look at the trendy fanboi, though. This is how he believes a free marketplace operates. Bragging about it with a boisterous braggadocio. Just like the emperor's new clothes...he really sees how magnificent it is...spellbound and refusing to follow common sense. Then again he told us to wear masks because we'll kill grandma...quarantine the unvaccinated and get boosted so...you'd want to believe common sense would override what the government mandates. We'll let this play out and wait until the next WEF talking point rears its ugly head and the same band of followers will carry the buckets for them.

burning_sticks
Connoisseur

3 years ago

#351

Free Market, baby!

Just think of the tax credit as our little slice of large businesses paying zero tax.
Feels better, don't it?

Brewha wrote:

You do realize taxes are a business expense don't you? Raising tax on business/corporations just inflates the price of goods.

DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#352

You do realize taxes are a business expense don't you? Raising tax on business/corporations just inflates the price of goods.

burning_sticks wrote:

:-$

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#353

You do realize taxes are a business expense don't you? Raising tax on business/corporations just inflates the price of goods.

burning_sticks wrote:

We cut business taxes a president ago and I don't see where prices didn't go up.
..

Abrignac
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#354

We cut business taxes a president ago and I don't see where prices didn't go up.
..

tonygraz wrote:

Not a zero sum game Tony. One of the reasons prices went up was the cost of fuel. Fuel is involved in every step from procuring raw materials, through production and all the way to the consumer. When diesel prices spiked it drove up the cost of everything.

And with that you are a COMPLETE idiot if you don’t think corporate taxes are passed on to the consumer. Stock prices ebb and flow on earnings and P&L’s. If taxes go up and revenue doesn’t then margins decrease taking share price down with it. Not only are those taxes passed to the consumer, but they are also inflated so that not only is the tax covered but, so is the margin on the added tax expense.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#355

Do the math and check the geography, Peter Zaihan.

Joe Rogan: “EV’s Are A Disaster". Will Electric Vehicles Be Around For The Long Term?

Gene363 wrote:

Peter Zaihan is a “political scientist” who earns a living writing books. What he says in the videos is eloquent, but not particularly accurate or relevant.

He talked about the “technology not being ready”. I will ponder what he means next time I go for a drive….

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#356

You do realize taxes are a business expense don't you? Raising tax on business/corporations just inflates the price of goods.

burning_sticks wrote:

So you are happy people can get an EV tax credit or not so much?

You know what subsidizing goods does mean the companies can make more….

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Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#357

I have noticed, like in the Zaihan interview, the belief or mis-conception that the population going to EV’s is like flipping a switch. That is could happen in the next few years.

The transition will take decades. Even if you cannot buy and ICE vehicle in California starting in 2035 there will still be ICE cars and trucks everywhere. And you can just get one in another state.

BuckyB93
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

3 years ago

#358

So for people who need a car and EVs don't work or are impractical for their situation, your answer is "too franking bad... just buy an ICE car in another state."

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#359

So for people who need a car and EVs don't work or are impractical for their situation, your answer is "just buy an ICE car in another state?"

BuckyB93 wrote:

No. Even in California, 12 years from now, you’ll be able to buy a gas powered car. Plug-in Hybrid Electrics (PHEV). Not to mention used. Realize that this is like phasing out leaded gas. It takes a long time.

Besides, with all the new trucks and cars coming out in the next 12 years it is reasonable to assume that there will be a few for every use case. And if not - I really would expect the law to have exceptions for special use cases.

I remember being told for years that I would have to replace my HVAC. System because Freon would soon not be available. Kinda of a pizzer. But years before push came to shove the unit needed to be replaced anyway. The upshot however was that dispite my b1tching about no Freon, the new unit is way more efficient and saves me a ton of money each month. Kinda like EVs….

But the “you can’t get one here” mandate is nothing new. Here in texas I could not buy a Tesla and had to order it from another state. Texas law does not allow you to buy from a manufacturer - only an independent dealer - to “protect the consumer”. Texas does love it’s irony. Texas was happy to collect the sales tax when I registered it as a new vehicle - what a shocker!

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic

3 years ago

#360

Abrignac wrote:

But hey - GOOD NEWS - Gas and Oil companies are showing record profits this year!

Just curious, do you think we would be better off if only workers wages were taxed and companies were all tax free?

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