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frankj1
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3 years ago

#381

My only comment on this whole topic is:

Are you going to tell us that the development of the ICE hasn't happened? Of course it has, for over 100 years. Imagine how far electric cars would be if THEY had gone through a 100 years of development. Look how far battery technology has gotten in a short time...

Unless, you believe that the inventors of the last century had all the answers and there is no way to improve on what they did. On that, I believe a better way to power a car exists, and will be developed and put the entire discussion to rest.

plinytheelder wrote:

yup

DrafterX
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3 years ago

#382

Cars have been around since the mesozoics.. 😟

Speyside2
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3 years ago

#383

So have you!

deadeyedick
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3 years ago

#384

plinytheelder wrote:

This is exactly correct. Seems most of the arguments against electric are to justify our own polluting lifestyles. The Teslas of today will be like the Model T was to ICE in future years.

I'm sure we won't be able to do without oil in our lifetime but we sure need to try.

Edited by user 3 years ago | Reason: Not specified

tonygraz
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3 years ago

#385

So have you!

Speyside2 wrote:

but you are older and complain more.

burning_sticks
Connoisseur

3 years ago

#386

deadeyedick wrote:

The government didn't have to mandate or bribe you to get a Model T. Consumers wanted it and it was cheap enough most could afford it.

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#387

The government didn't have to mandate or bribe you to get a Model T. Consumers wanted it and it was cheap enough most could afford it.

burning_sticks wrote:

AND Henry Ford's workers earned a real living wage not built from slave labor.

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#388

“Slaves need work too.” ~ LeBron James

Brewha
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3 years ago

#389

deadeyedick wrote:

100% on this.

The Model 3 and Y have the crap engineered out of them to be cheap to produce. As the cost of battery's drop this will be even more apparent. Just look in side these things - there's nothing in them. And with the new chassis casting processes they have fewer and fewer parts with each revision. They put the value in the software and consistently upgrade it for free.

Since I took delivery 6 months ago, the updates included:
View cabin camera from your phone
Seat heat controls on the main screen - fully automation mode
Apple Music
Dog mode improvements
myQ connected garage
Zoom meetings
Assorted games
Bluetooth gaming controllers
Auto turn signals
Scheduled light shows
Remote door opening
Turn signal pop up cameras
Blended regen
New energy app
NOT TO MENTION - outdoor fart mode.

And we will be using petrochemical long after we stop burning gas.

HockeyDad
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3 years ago

#390

I recently heard Tesla described as a “software company that sells stock.”

tonygraz
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3 years ago

#391

I see a tesla or several everytime I drive anywhere lately.

Speyside2
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3 years ago

#392

Lucid is far better than Tesla, and far more expensive. 2 different business models.

Brewha
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3 years ago

#393

The advantage Tesla has over legacy makers is they have designed from the ground up with a central, updatable control system.

About the only “button” the driver has is (Federally Mandated - OMG!!!) emergency flashers. That sounds bad, but it is cheaper and works better. The heated seats automatically give you three bacons when you get in and it is cold. They dial up and down through your trip, and you never have to look for the controls - which are on the screen in front of you any way. Everything works like that - wipers, high/low beams, the garage door opener…

Automatic, integrated, voice override everything. Try telling your car to set the temp to 70 - the voice system is prolly not integrated with the HVAC. Tesla are the iPad of cars.

You can turn on the HVAC while you are getting off the plane because the car has a cellular connection just like your phone.

Ford, GM, etc. still make latency designs for their EVs. Buttons, knobs and switches everywhere - not much automation.
Is 16 buttons on your steering wheel too many??

Brewha
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3 years ago

#394

Lucid is far better than Tesla, and far more expensive. 2 different business models.

Speyside2 wrote:

Better is a relative term.

Lucid is more luxurious, longer range, arguably nicer looking.

Teslas are faster, more efficient, and affordable.

But I could swap my model 3 for an Air - if it weren’t 3 times the price…..
Lucids are super nice though.

rockmiesterr
Enthusiast

3 years ago

#395

86 Chevy Silverado ....454BB ..4sp std .4x4....3in body lift.......yyyeeeeeep....yer talkin.......

I gots 2 12v batteries in er........if that helps to support the battry makers;}}

Speyside2
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3 years ago

#396

Lucid Air Sapphire, 0 to 60 under 2 seconds, 1,200 hp.

frankj1
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3 years ago

#397

Lucid Air Sapphire, 0 to 60 under 2 seconds, 1,200 hp.

Speyside2 wrote:

not better if The Lovely Caren was behind the wheel

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#398

Like other articles and opinions posted here before...a little proof to back them up.

Without Subsidies, How Many People Will Buy An EV?

Sales in Germany plunge after subsidies were reduced...

The Wall Street Journal reports Germans Think Twice About Electric Vehicles

Sales of fully electric vehicles (EVs) fell 13.2% in January compared to January 2022, Germany’s Motor Transport Authority reports. Sales of hybrids declined 6.2%. This compares to an increase of 3.5% in the number of new gasoline-powered cars sold, and a modest decline of 1.2% for diesel.

The main explanation is the end of Berlin’s subsidies for EVs and hybrids at the new year. Until December the subsidy had offered up to €9,000 split between consumer and producer for EVs with a net list price below €40,000. Hybrids in that price range received €6,750. Berlin has ditched the subsidy for hybrids entirely, and cut the payout to €4,500 for EVs below €40,000.

This year will thus be a market test for electric vehicle demand in the Vatican of climate-change belief. Politicians in the West have used subsidies and mandates to drive EV sales, no matter that they aren’t as green as their advertising. The cars are only as carbon-friendly to operate as the power grids they refuel from, and Berlin’s refusal to embrace nuclear power means Germany is burning more coal to cover for the end of natural-gas imports from Russia. Then there’s the environmental cost of mining for all that cobalt, copper and lithium for EVs and their batteries.

If consumers want to buy EVs, go for it. But what does it say about their appeal if people need subsidies to buy them?

Can the Power Grid Handle a Wave of New Electric Vehicles?

Also consider the question Can the Power Grid Handle a Wave of New Electric Vehicles?

Experts believe EVs will make up a third or even half of all light vehicles sold annually in the U.S. by 2030, up from about 7% in 2022.

If those predictions are correct, that leaves a big question: Will the power grid be capable of charging the batteries in those tens of millions of vehicles?

Some grid operators already are struggling to keep up with demand in certain areas and at certain times—California power authorities, for example, asked residents to avoid charging electric cars in the evening during a heat wave last September to help avoid overloading the grid, while utility officials in other areas have warned at times of possible rolling blackouts to prevent system collapses.

First, the good news: Many experts think the utility industry will be ready to generate enough power for the coming EV wave, thanks to planned capacity increases costing hundreds of billions of dollars.

But that isn’t the whole story. The potential for much more serious bottlenecks looms in the local legs of the grid that transmit electricity to individual homes and businesses. Expensive upgrades could be needed for these neighborhood power-distribution systems. Additional spending will be needed to bolster the wires and transformers serving commercial sites as electric trucks and delivery vans become common.

Combined, all these investments likely would result in higher electric rates, many industry analysts say. “The more they invest in the grid, the more those costs go back to consumers,” says Brad Stansberry, U.S. energy advisory leader at audit and consulting firm KPMG.

Let that last sentence paragraph in. Utilities will have to spend a lot of money to add capacity. It will cost even more if the capacity is a clean energy input source.

Cleaner energy will eventually come from solar, but how do we get that energy to Chicago? At what price?

I still wonder how the heck an evacuation of Florida happens when everyone needs to drive hundreds of miles to escape a hurricane.

Are you convinced we have enough lithium, nickel, and other materials to make enough batteries? I am not. The more EVs we do build, the more metals we need. At what cost, and at how much pollution mining them?
Distance and Convenience

For me, it's all about distance and convenience.

It's convenient to charge at home, provided you don't go anywhere. I dive long distances and to the middle of nowhere frequently.

It is not so convenient to have to stop whatever you are doing to charge a vehicle (assuming you can find a charger in the middle of nowhere) or to rent a car if you want to drive five hours straight.
EV Sales Spiked in California

For a different take, Wolf Street reports EV Sales Spiked in California. First Uptick in Electricity Sales after 13 Years of Decline

But what about subsidies and the extraordinarily high price of gasoline in California?

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/without-subsidies-how-many-people-will-buy-ev

RayR
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3 years ago

#399

Do you mean to say that without economic fascist policies, EV's aren't as attractive an option to consumers?

DrMaddVibe
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3 years ago

#400

Do you mean to say that without economic fascist policies, EV's aren't as attractive an option to consumers?

RayR wrote:

NEIN!

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