Brewha
3 years ago

Tesla isn’t that user friendly to repair if any damage is done, been watching Rich Rebuilds for quite some time.

ZRX1200 wrote:


FWIW, Full coverage on my 2022 Tesla cost an average $62/mo ($744/yr) - with Tesla Insurance.

Adding to that, I only paying 20 cents on the dollar for "gas" compared to my last Infiniti sedan.
The Tesla is rated at 131 MPGe combined.

And while damage to the battery is today's bug-a-boo, consider how many major component the care simply does not have that could fail on a gas car.

No, nothing is perfect. But some things are just better overall.
Brewha
3 years ago
US EV Sales Hit New Record, And People Are Buying More Than Just Teslas

Although gas-powered cars still dominate, EVs are gaining in popularity in the US, thanks in part to federal tax credits and more affordable vehicles.

Emily Dreibelbis
By Emily Dreibelbis
Updated March 20, 2023

Electric vehicles made up 7.1% of car sales in January 2023, a jump from 4.3% during the same time period last year, InsideEVs reports(Opens in a new window). Total car sales, gas and electric, remained on-par with the past two years, meaning EVs are a standout growth area in the automotive industry.

Out of the 87,708 battery-powered registrations, 57% were Teslas and 43% were from non-Tesla brands, such as Chevrolet, Ford, and Volkswagen. While Tesla remains dominant, its market share has taken a noticeable dive from 74% just one year ago.

Another big trend is the impact of federal tax credits. To qualify for the $7,500 credit, vehicles must be made in America and have a portion of their battery materials domestically sourced. There are also price caps on qualifying vehicles, and income caps on customers, to prevent federal funds from going to wealthy customers buying luxury vehicles.

The top two most popular vehicles in January were the Tesla Model Y, with 28,833 new registrations, and the Tesla Model 3, at 17,526. Both sold more units than in January 2022, thanks to some steep price cuts in mid-January 2023.

Tesla model Y
Tesla Model Y, the most-sold EV in January 2023. (Credit: Tesla)
The price of a Model Y dropped $13,000, from $65,990 to $52,990, while the Model 3 got a $3,000 reduction. This particularly affected sales on the Model Y, which jumped 56% year over year, as the vehicle now falls below the $55,000 federal limit for sedans to qualify for the federal tax credit. (Tesla has since raised the price back up slightly to $54,990 as of this writing.)

Tesla also gained ground in January in the luxury segment, growing 34% and surpassing competitors like BMW, Experian reports(Opens in a new window).

Chevy BOlt EUV
2022 Chevy Bolt EUV, the third most-sold EV in January 2023. (Credit: Chevrolet)
The Chevrolet Bolt EUV was the third most popular vehicle, with 4,928 registrations. That's no surprise, as the Bolt EUV is among the most affordable EVs available, at $28,000 compared to $43,000 for a Tesla Model 3, with comparable range.

Next up: the Volkswagen ID.4, with 4,049 total units sold. For the 2023 model year, Volkswagen moved production of the ID.4 to its Chattanooga, Tennessee, plant in order to qualify for the federal tax credit.

Volkswagen ID.4
Volkswagen ID.4, the fourth most-sold EV in Jan. 2023. (Credit: Volkswagen)
After Volkswagen, Ford claimed the fifth and sixth spots with the Mustang Mach-E (3,286 units sold) and the F-150 Lightning pickup truck (2,918). Both qualify for the federal tax credit, though not the priciest trims of the F-150, which are above the $80,000 limit for trucks.

Entry-Level EVs: 7 Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles You Can Buy for Under $40,000
Kia and Hyundai, makers of the popular EV6 and Ioniq 5, respectively, notably did not make the list of top sellers. Both automakers manufacture their vehicles exclusively abroad, automatically disqualifying them for the federal tax credit.

Mustang Mach-E
Ford Mustang Mach-E, the fifth most-sold EV in Jan. 2023. (Credit: Ford)
For all of 2022, electric cars made up 5.8% of all new car sales in the US and 10% globally, according(Opens in a new window) to the Wall Street Journal, up significantly from 2021.

We've yet to find the ceiling on adoption, though several states have targeted completely phasing out gas-powered car sales by 2035. Achieving this will likely require more charging infrastructure and improved range (especially in cold weather), which state and local governments, automakers, and charging companies are working to solve.


https://www.pcmag.com/news/us-ev-car-sales-hit-new-record-and-people-are-buying-more-than-just-teslas 
tonygraz
3 years ago
Gas prices are down 5% here in CT this month in spite of the fact that state gas taxes are being gradually raised from 0 back towards what they were before the gas tax was temporarily eliminated. Can Electric vehicle used be a good part of the price drop ?
HockeyDad
3 years ago

Gas prices are down 5% here in CT this month in spite of the fact that state gas taxes are being gradually raised from 0 back towards what they were before the gas tax was temporarily eliminated. Can Electric vehicle used be a good part of the price drop ?

tonygraz wrote:



135% of the price drop in gas is because of electric vehicles.
tonygraz
3 years ago
I thought it was 98.2 %. Maybe that was February.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.
HockeyDad
3 years ago

I thought it was 98.2 %. Maybe that was February.

tonygraz wrote:



Inflation
Brewha
3 years ago

Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.

ZRX1200 wrote:


Who said that EV’s were a panacea?
They are a piece of the puzzle.

Some here see that they reduce pollution - on a large scale.
Others argue that they don’t do enough.
And of course, some say there is no reason to do anything.

Just like any other clean, high efficiency thing they help to curb pollution by using energy better. Like new HVAC units, LED bulb, etc.

The fact they they are just plain better cars is for me the driving force (see what I did there?).
The green end of them is just a bonus.

But nations the world over have look at this at length and are moving to EV’s.
No foolin’.
MACS
3 years ago

Brew I’ve never said “what is better” I just take offense to the lack of complete context in the conversation at large. At this point no it’s not an answer it’s a sliver of a bandaid.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.

Anyone wonder why they only go back about 120 years with these temperatures for "global warming" or "climate change"? It's because our planet, before we were even on it... got a whole lot hotter, all by its damn self.

Colder, too!! And then hotter... again. And then colder... again.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
They’re not green though.
frankj1
3 years ago
since January, the price of lithium has dropped by nearly 20%.
cobalt by more than half, and copper about 18%...making electric vehicles more affordable even as sales have soared.

The average price of an electric vehicle in the US fell by $1,000 in February compared with January, according to Kelley Blue Book.

ZRX1200
3 years ago
^ Frank I can listen to, when there’s slave labor involved to build something he has family history I don’t think you have Brew. No offense I still ❤️ you.
izonfire
3 years ago

something truly noteworthy...

frankj1 wrote:


I could sure go for some lithium, cobalt, and copper right about now... 😟
deadeyedick
3 years ago

Until China and India get on board, and don't hold your breath, anything we do is a sliver of a sliver of a sliver that used to be a bandaid sliver.

Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And that's a fact, Jack.

Anyone wonder why they only go back about 120 years with these temperatures for "global warming" or "climate change"? It's because our planet, before we were even on it... got a whole lot hotter, all by its damn self.

Colder, too!! And then hotter... again. And then colder... again.

MACS wrote:



That is all true but the difference is we are here now, 7 billion and counting, and the earth's temps are changing much more rapidly now than it ever has in the past. I believe most people know it really is not a good idea to pump billions of tons of CO2 and methane into our atmosphere each year even if they don't want to change their lifestyle.

frankj1
3 years ago

^ Frank I can listen to, when there’s slave labor involved to build something he has family history I don’t think you have Brew. No offense I still ❤️ you.

ZRX1200 wrote:


HA!

but ya know, Jamie, ya gotta admit that almost all people suddenly woke about slave and child labor when it comes the the threat of dealing with fossil fuels are sporting several pairs of Nikes of their feet...

be for it, be against it, but be sincere in why we have our own convictions.
frankj1
3 years ago

That is all true but the difference is we are here now, 7 billion and counting, and the earth's temps are changing much more rapidly now than it ever has in the past. I believe most people know it really is not a good idea to pump billions of tons of CO2 and methane into our atmosphere each year even if they don't want to change their lifestyle.

deadeyedick wrote:


this is so rational.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Frank I wear Danners not Nikes.

And I’ve never been a friend of slave labor. I was making Kathy Lee Gifford jokes when I was still but a wee lad not yet even old enough to buy cigars.
frankj1
3 years ago
we're always cool.
Gene363
3 years ago
EVs themselves are not the actual issue, it's the idea that climate alarmists have no compunction about exaggerating and flat out lying to promote their position.

It's a re-run of the lies anti-drug interests told to keep people from using drugs. The COVID issues, the ozone hole, nuclear winter, and the population bomb, IMO the latter is one is going to cause the end of life as we know it.

I'm a born cynic, but for crying out loud, between the pros, the antis, and the conspiracy therapists, trying to get clear, unbiased information is nearly impossible without through research.

There are problems/issues with EVs, some are glaring and impossible to ignore, however, point them out and the EV proponents immediately want to cancel you as some sort of anti-science luddite. To make things worse, anyone with basic intelligence can see they do not understand basic science or believe in a narrative so much they will ignore common sense.

You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.

HockeyDad
3 years ago



You also have the third issue, there are smart people that are more than willing to monetize issues to make a profit and control the rabble.

Gene363 wrote:



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