Electric vehicles - what does the future hold? · Page 38

Haven't you heard? China is broke. There's not going to be any camps anymore. Russia can't even steamroll a neo-Nazi DNC slush fund nation.

12 years from now you'll hear the crushing of American UAW workers, see the lack of charging stations still before you, and hear the lamentations of their women and Tesla drivers griping about battery replacement costs.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#743

Great. So? This conversation was NEVER about a fast car.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Dude, read the subject line - What EV's bring is faster cars, lower maintenance a less expensive to operate.
Try to stay with us.

I have. It's not viable in my world. Even though on this thread I've stated quite clearly what my criteria is. You choose to play some stupid game. The Ford CEO couldn't even make it coast to coast and gave up on the leg from Michigan to Carolina.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

And that's why Ford is switching to the Tesla charger plug - so they can have the most reliable and plentiful chargers - Shmart!!

If you want to classify it as a "liberal plot" that's on you. I see this as another administration picking winners and losers with our money. We, the taxpayer have already bailed out the American auto industry once. By making up CAFE standards on a whim based on some fantasy numbers they have crippled them into submission. Just because an Executive Branch agency declares something doesn't it make it reality. You want to excuse them or worse, pretend reality doesn't matter. After all they told you grandma was going to die if you didn't wear a mask. Then you bought in to the vaccinations. Then you bought into the lockdowns and started talking down to people that had a differing opinion on the clot shots. Even after the lies were exposed you want to go back and believe the very same people? You have no problem bragging about taking rebate money for an expenditure that you chose to make. Nobody forced you into it, you gladly leaped. The reality is the electric vehicle (the way they're made now and from what I can see, even the foreseeable future) is not viable. There are enough links and articles in this thread alone to show you that I'm correct in what I'm saying.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Yada, yada, yada -

I never said I took the tax credit - it was not available when I got my car last year (Oooh, don't you lie).

EV's are not viable, yada, yada, yada,

The govmut is out to get us, yada, yada,

You know D, between you and RayRay the entire EV market will be brought to its knees by you biting missives.

Too bad EVERY MAJOR Manufacturer is moving to EV's - wow, you guys are some much more smarty than them...

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

#744

Dude, read the subject line - What EV's bring is faster cars, lower maintenance a less expensive to operate.
Try to stay with us.

Brewha wrote:

The title is "Electric vehicles - what does the future hold?"

As for your multiple personality disorder...once again...it's all you.

Edited by user 2 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Brewha
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2 years ago

#745

Yada, yada, yada.....

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Say - you're not Madd are you?

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

#746

Say - you're not Madd are you?

Brewha wrote:

All you.

MACS
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2 years ago

#747

We’re headed toward an exciting all-renewable energy future. Wind and solar will power the world of tomorrow!! And tomorrow isn’t far off!

It’s time to wake up. You’re having a dream. Here’s the reality:

Oil, natural gas, and coal provide 84% of all the world’s energy. That’s down just two percentage points from twenty years ago. And oil still powers nearly 97% of all global transportation.

Contrary to headlines claiming that we’re rapidly transitioning away from fossil fuels, it's just not happening. Two decades and five trillion dollars of governments “investing” in green energy and we’ve barely moved the needle.

Just the facts, ma'am.

RayR
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2 years ago

#748

MACS, your facts are spoiling their Utopian Dream of a Brave New World.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#749

MACS wrote:

We just haven’t spent enough trillions yet.

DrMaddVibe
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2 years ago

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"We Have Turned Away Inventory": US EV Market Struggles As Cars Pile Up On Dealer Lots

The rising mismatch between electric vehicle supply and demand is showing up at car dealerships as unsold EVs stack up. Dealerships tell Bussiness Insider that EV supply from automakers has been turned away as demand cools.

Rising EV inventories and a Tesla-fueled price war could signal the beginnings of a pause in growth for the EV market.

Scott Kunes, the chief operating officer of Kunes Auto and RV Group, which sells Detroit brands and Nissan and Mitsubishi in the Midwest, said: "We have turned away EV inventory."

Big Detroit brands are "asking us to make a large investment" in these EVs, Kunes added, "and we just want to see some return on that investment."

A recent report from Cox Automotive shows automakers such as General Motors, Ford, Hyundai, and Toyota have more than 90 days' worth of unsold EVs at dealerships in July. That's about 92,000 EVs sitting at lots, more than three times the number compared with a year ago. New vehicle inventories are up about 74% from a year ago.

"It's not just that these vehicles are expensive — which they are. We're talking about a much more nuanced lifestyle change," said Sam Fiorani, the vice president of global vehicle forecasting at AutoForecast Solutions.

Fiorani said some lifestyle changes include 20-30-minute charges and range anxiety. He said, "It's hard for the average customer to make that leap while spending an extra $10,000." And not just the price but also the highest interest on new auto loans since 2009.

Several dealers previously told Insider:

As a result, one East Coast Ford dealer told Insider they were only declining allocation of electric cars from the automaker. Another in the Midwest said Lightning orders were piling up uncompleted, leaving those customers with time to pick a different EV. One Hyundai dealer on the West Coast said they were also passing on EV-specific allocation, while another Hyundai dealer told Insider he anticipated having to turn away EVs soon.

EV demand might have plateaued while major automakers are still ramping up production. By 2026, the US market is expected to have 90 new EV models, according to AutoForecast Solutions. We suspect many brands will suffer with profitability.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-have-turned-away-inventory-us-ev-market-struggles-cars-pile-dealer-lots

LOL, but a certain someone thinks it's all me and my wishful thinking.

LMMFAO!!!!!:-"

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#751

Those dealerships just haven’t felt the bayonet yet. But they will.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#752

Car dealerships are protected by law far too much. And we pay for it. I say screw ‘em.
Many reports of people ordering their new Ford, only have the dealer tack $1-10K on at delivery. Lot of people told them to keep the vehicle.

It was illegal for me to buy my car in Texas directly from the manufacturer. So I ordered it online from California and they delivered it here. Of course, Texas was only too happy to accept the sales tax.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#753

"We Have Turned Away Inventory": US EV Market Struggles As Cars Pile Up On Dealer Lots

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Is this why an EV (Model Y) is the number on selling vehicle in the world?

:-k

RayR
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2 years ago

#754

Brewha...your EV is not paying its fair share to fix da roads man!

Texas House passes bill to implement pilot program creating mileage tax

By Bethany Blankley | The Center Square contributor May 8, 2023.

(The Center Square) – The Republican-led House passed a Democratic bill that would create a pilot program to determine how to tax drivers based on mileage driven in their vehicles on public highways in Texas.

HB 3418, filed by Rep. Terry Canales, D-Edinburgh, passed the House Friday by a vote of 96-46.

According to the bill analysis, “diesel and gas taxes are a major source of revenue for the construction and maintenance of Texas roads. There are many promising technologies on the horizon suggesting that the traveling public will see an increase in alternatively fueled vehicles on Texas roads.” The bill “seeks to assess the feasibility of vehicle mileage user fees as an alternative to the motor fuels tax in Texas by requiring the Texas Department of Transportation to conduct a vehicle mileage user fee pilot program and establishing a task force to assist in developing the program.”

The bill would amend the Transportation Code to require the Texas Department of Transportation, working with the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles and the Texas A&M Transportation Institute, to develop and implement a statewide pilot program to assess a user fee on all motor vehicles based on the number of miles driven on public highways in Texas.

When asked how a residential or commercial vehicle would be taxed, at first Canales said, “we don’t know,” but later said there could be many methodologies, including putting a tracking device on vehicles.

More...

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_52b7f6e8-edbb-11ed-a2b3-a7740bee97c7.html

Brewha
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2 years ago

#755

RayR wrote:

And if they do it along with the registration tax I could be paying 25%, maybe even 35% what you pay to operate a gas vehicle.

Poor Brewha…..

Speyside2
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2 years ago

#756

Brewha, doesn't your car have a tiny gas tank? Bada bing, a hybrid.

frankj1
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2 years ago

#757

there's already a mat /grid that will charge cars simply by parking over them, probably be another couple years until they become affordable and become a normal accessory in many households.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#758

Brewha, doesn't your car have a tiny gas tank? Bada bing, a hybrid.

Speyside2 wrote:

No, it’s a model 3. 100% electric.
Way better - But it will be a few years before most figure that out.

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frankj1
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2 years ago

#759

Scott and Allen, check out WiTricity out of Watertown MA.
Uses magnetic fields instead of electricity..

don't know i this link to recent Boston Globe article will work properly...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/22/business/watertown-wireless-ev-charger/

Brewha
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2 years ago

#760

there's already a mat /grid that will charge cars simply by parking over them, probably be another couple years until they become affordable and become a normal accessory in many households.

frankj1 wrote:

Inductive charging (no physical connection) has efficiency issues - but it works for a car like it works for a phone.

But just plugging the car in once or twice a week when you get home is way more convenient than going to a gas station.

Of course who does not love going to a gas station? So, I’m missing out on that too.
What is it now? $3.50 a gallon?

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