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Abrignac
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2 years ago

A rule vote in the House this afternoon failed. As I understand it a rule needs to pass before can vote on another stop gap spending measure needed to continue funding the government.

One issue is lack of meaningful steps to secure the boxer. Another is the debt limit.

Though the border is something that needs to be addressed more importantly though is the debt.

So my question is directed to anyone who is NOT concerned with another increase in the debt. What is your point of no return? Is there a number that you find too high?

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ZRX1200
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2 years ago

CRs need to end….period.

Politicians need to put their names on a real budget.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

I’m not concerned with the debt or its limit. We are already past the point of no return.

RayR
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2 years ago

What I heard on the news was that the Republicans caved to the Democrats again, a Faustian bargain of sorts, agreeing to a proposed budget that has no meaningful cuts in spending, but might only if the stars aligned perfectly slow down the increased rate of spending a tiny bit. And the Republican leadership was doing a victory dance as if they were doing something conservative.

And what HockeyDad said

Abrignac
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2 years ago

CRs need to end….period.

Politicians need to put their names on a real budget.

ZRX1200 wrote:

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!!

Abrignac
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2 years ago

I’m not concerned with the debt or its limit. We are already past the point of no return.

HockeyDad wrote:

I tend to agree. I personally think we are way pass the point of no return.

The only way I see to reel it in is to make deep cuts. Those cuts would have to be so severe that some programs would need to cease altogether. But, that would require every member of Congress to go on record voting to eliminate something dear to their constituency. Doing so would many of get them voted out of office.

rfenst
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2 years ago

Abrignac wrote:

Cuts, austerity and improving economy will combine to decrease the debt to a more manageable level.

rfenst
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2 years ago

Abrignac wrote:

Cuts, austerity and improving economy will combine to decrease the debt to a more manageable level.

deadeyedick
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2 years ago

Cuts, austerity and improving economy will combine to decrease the debt to a more manageable level.

rfenst wrote:

There isn't anybody in congress on either side of the isle that is really willing to make the cuts to all the government programs that are needed. Starting with SS and Medicare. And as far as the border is concerned, vs the debt, they are one and the same issue.

RayR
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2 years ago

#10

deadeyedick wrote:

Pretty much, there is no political will or a moral backbone to do what's right. I heard one Republican congressman say yesterday that there aren't but a few actual conservatives in the Republican party. Most of them are more than happy to just conserve the status quo and not rock the boat.. Some things never seem to change.

RiverRatRuss
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2 years ago

#11

Has anyone else noticed in the Past 6-8 Yrs. and especially after Sleepy Joe took office our Supreme Court System is getting backlogged with rulings on Laws these AssClown's have been putting into place?

Oh and the Debt Ceiling? I heard Nasa is working on a location to park it somewhere in our Galaxy!!! DOH... 🤦 🤦 😣 😣

Brewha
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2 years ago

#12

Cuts, austerity and improving economy will combine to decrease the debt to a more manageable level.

rfenst wrote:

But never - NEVER - increase corporate taxes!

Trump's TCJA gave massive tax cuts to businesses. Many large, profitable corporations are paying no tax.

As as we all know; when a company or a rich man pays no tax it makes us all rich!!!

ZRX1200
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2 years ago

#13

That makes as much sense as getting mad at a bartender for cutting a drunk off.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#14

Don't you know sarcasm when you read it?

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#15

Brewha wrote:

Jeez Scott give it a rest. I don’t know the magic percentage but it’s entirely possible to reduce government revenue by raising taxes. I think I read a government jobs report one time that stated around 85% or more jobs in the US are with small businesses. They are much more susceptible to increased taxes than large corporations and as such will be bankrupted by tax increases large enough to support the current level of government spending.

Large corporations are also sensitive to tax increases. But due to their size there are many offshore locations willing to host them at much more favorable tax rates. When the leave so does their taxes. Ever wonder why companies like Amazon pay a low taxes? Exxon-Mobil? Berkshire Hathaway? Because they have moved many of their corporate operations offshore. Seems there was an another government report that showed that even if the corporate tax was raised it would add very little to actual revenue relative to total intake.

Can you do better are will you just continue to troll with your raise corporate tax mantra?

RayR
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2 years ago

#16

LEFTY sloganeering about taxes and the state:

"Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society"
"I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization."
"The power to tax is the power to save more lives."
“Only the savage pays no taxes.”

I like these truthful quotes though:

"Taxation is theft"
“The state is the great fiction by which everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else.“
“Taxes are the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society”
"If, as many people seem to believe, “taxes are the price of civilization,” this seems to imply not only that we live under the implicit threat of barbaric chaos, but also that there is some mischievous organization out there which, in order not to unleash that chaos on our doorstep, demands that we pay an expensive ransom."

Even that commie Engels wrote the truth about taxation and the state: “the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy.”

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#17

Cuts, austerity and improving economy will combine to decrease the debt to a more manageable level.

rfenst wrote:

Spend $6.1 trillion. Bring in $4.4 trillion in taxes.

Required cuts and austerity = $1.7 trillion per year. Good luck with that.

50% tax increase to every Federal tax. Good luck with that.

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#18

Spend $6.1 trillion. Bring in $4.4 trillion in taxes.

Required cuts and austerity = $1.7 trillion per year. Good luck with that.

50% tax increase to every Federal tax. Good luck with that.

HockeyDad wrote:

Add to that the fact that no one on either side of the isle is willing to make cuts to programs held sacred in their platforms means business as usual.

Edited by user 2 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#19

Brewha wrote:

People who identify as poor and victims should not have the internet.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#20

Add to that the fact that no one on either side of the isle is willing to make cuts to programs held sacred in their platforms means business as usual.

Abrignac wrote:

$1.7 trillion in cuts means elimination of social security and the entire military.

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