DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Always like a trip to middle school texting with you DMV - thanks!

Brewha wrote:




Says the guy who's Tesla fartcar has appreciated less than Yoko Ono's vocal talents! Why just imagine all the money you could've saved buying one now!!!!!

Perhaps you'll learn something this time. Unlike the 5 other times you attended.


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Brewha
2 years ago
What does a fill up for your truck cost you again?

[whip]
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

What does a fill up for your truck cost you again?

[whip]

Brewha wrote:



A bit more when we have a Democrat in the White House. Always less when there's a Republican. That's never changed since I've been alive!

Now, your car has gone down in value since you bought it, tires are going up, and insurance is rising on the fire hazard it is. The countless articles here in this thread...your battery replacement will make my fill ups palatable over time. The price of your fartcar will most likely take more markdowns making you look like the trendy "look at me" attention whore spender you want to be.

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tonygraz
2 years ago
I hear that the Chinese have a 600 mile range on their electric and they swap out their low battery for a fully charged one. Beats waiting for a charger.
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Brewha
2 years ago

A bit more when we have a Democrat in the White House. Always less when there's a Republican. That's never changed since I've been alive!

Now, your car has gone down in value since you bought it, tires are going up, and insurance is rising on the fire hazard it is. The countless articles here in this thread...your battery replacement will make my fill ups palatable over time. The price of your fartcar will most likely take more markdowns making you look like the trendy "look at me" attention whore spender you want to be.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



The service life of the battery is 300,000 to 500,000 miles. So I'll never see a replacement as I always trade in/trade up before 100,000 miles.

Now for you, who I gather has had the same truck since - puberty? - you would still see a saving even with a battery change when you add up the all the gas and oil changes. Not that you would one an EV - it would be too much of a "statement" for you, would it not?

Keep those **** flying DMV. You are our guardian against the evils of new technology.
Not to mention our David Lee Roth wannabe......
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Brewha
2 years ago

I hear that the Chinese have a 600 mile range on their electric and they swap out their low battery for a fully charged one. Beats waiting for a charger.

tonygraz wrote:



I've see some of that, but really don't think it will amount to much. The whole range anxiety is a fallacy. Who the hell drives 300, or 500 miles and does not what a 20-30 minute break? Besides if you need to tow a 5th wheel you wouldn't use a Camry.

I suspect though that even if they sold cars that never need fueling, many Americans would march on Washington to prevent them - "cause it just aint American!"
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

The service life of the battery is 300,000 to 500,000 miles. So I'll never see a replacement as I always trade in/trade up before 100,000 miles.

Now for you, who I gather has had the same truck since - puberty? - you would still see a saving even with a battery change when you add up the all the gas and oil changes. Not that you would one an EV - it would be too much of a "statement" for you, would it not?

Keep those **** flying DMV. You are our guardian against the evils of new technology.
Not to mention our David Lee Roth wannabe......

Brewha wrote:



Good for you.

If you were capable of understanding written words you'd have the answer to your idiotic backhanded attempt of a question on this very thread! Seeing as how you can't, oh well. There isn't an EV vehicle remotely close to what I have now and what I need it to do. Morons like you that cannot think past your flow chart scripts didn't fathom that people actually like a return on their investment. Trucks are the very definition of that. There's a reason why it's America's #1 selling vehicle.
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

I've see some of that, but really don't think it will amount to much. The whole range anxiety is a fallacy. Who the hell drives 300, or 500 miles and does not what a 20-30 minute break? Besides if you need to tow a 5th wheel you wouldn't use a Camry.

I suspect though that even if they sold cars that never need fueling, many Americans would march on Washington to prevent them - "cause it just aint American!"

Brewha wrote:



And I spy with my little eyes....


China's EV Market Starts 2024 With BEV Sales Slowing And Even More Price Cuts



Just when you thought the EV market couldn't get more saturated or competitive in China, sales have once again slowed and the country's market leader, BYD, is once again implementing price cuts.

Sales of BEVs were up 18.2% in January-February compared to 20.8% for 2023, according to China Passenger Car Association reported by Reuters.

When added to hybrids and new energy vehicles, sales were up 37.5% in the period, compared to 36.2% for all of 2023, proving that the EV market continues to gravitate toward the practicality and affordability of hybrids versus all battery electric vehicles.

Reuters noted that overall passenger vehicles were up 16.3% for the year.

The report said that in the initial months of the year, EVs comprised 33.5% of total car sales, up from 28.3% in the same period last year, outpacing sales of gasoline cars which increased by 7.8%.

According to Cui Dongshu of the China Passenger Car Association, some EVs are competitively priced with gasoline vehicles, impacting their sales.

Leading the price reductions, BYD decreased prices across many models by an average of 17%, affecting 93% of its sales in China for 2023. This included a nearly 12% cut for its top-selling Yuan Plus and a 5% cut for the Seagull, its most affordable EV.

Several automakers have joined this price competition, offering discounts between 9% to 17%. Despite these cuts, BYD's market share dropped to 30.7% in February, the lowest since June 2022, even though it remains the largest EV seller globally, surpassing Tesla with most sales in China.

BYD exported 19% of its vehicles in February, marking its highest export ratio, contributing to China's 18% increase in car exports, with EVs making up 26.4% of this total.

Exports are vital for manufacturers facing weak domestic demand, with significant sales in markets like Australia, where Chinese EVs benefit from subsidies and lack trade barriers. However, this export success has led to tensions, with Europe and the U.S. investigating Chinese EV subsidies and potential security risks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-ev-market-starts-2024-bev-sales-slowing-and-even-more-price-cuts 
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tonygraz
2 years ago

I've see some of that, but really don't think it will amount to much. The whole range anxiety is a fallacy. Who the hell drives 300, or 500 miles and does not what a 20-30 minute break? Besides if you need to tow a 5th wheel you wouldn't use a Camry.

I suspect though that even if they sold cars that never need fueling, many Americans would march on Washington to prevent them - "cause it just aint American!"

Brewha wrote:



I drive 400 miles one way at least twice a year for vacations. It sometimes takes about 8 hours and I don't want to wait a half hour more to make the trip (or pay extra for a quick charge option). I do have charging stations about 5 miles from where I live, so that isn't a concern and I have yet to see someone charging there. I'm not sure when I will buy an electric car, but I will if I live long enough.
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Brewha
2 years ago

I drive 400 miles one way at least twice a year for vacations. It sometimes takes about 8 hours and I don't want to wait a half hour more to make the trip (or pay extra for a quick charge option). I do have charging stations about 5 miles from where I live, so that isn't a concern and I have yet to see someone charging there. I'm not sure when I will buy an electric car, but I will if I live long enough.

tonygraz wrote:



I've made the drive from Texas to New Mexico several times. It's like 10 hours and I always stopped for lunch - but that's just me. I know many here would not think of crossing the 600+ miles and ever stopping - unless absolutely necessary and only for the briefest amount of time. Or so they say.

We are a 2 vehicle family. The next time we drive to NM we'll prolly take the Wife's gas SUV. Cause it's easier and has more room. But for our 100 mile trips around Texas we always use the electric. Saves a ton of money and the Autopilot rocks.

Lucid offers a car with over 500 miles of range. But right now it's stupid expensive.
Nowhere near the value proposition of a 1972 Ford F-100 6 cylinder, with no AC and a coupla gas cans in the back bed. Get you a new seat cover every 5 years or so, a pickle jar to pizz in, and hit the open road. AM radios are underrated, ya know. FM is for yuppies...
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rfenst
2 years ago
Just got a new Honda Accord Sport Hybrid. 46/41 mileage rating, but I am doing even better than that in bothe the city and on the highway. Not time... for electric yet
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Brewha
2 years ago
Congratulations Mr. Fenst.
Enjoy the new wheels!
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MoreBeer
2 years ago
Drop me a line when they can be fully charged in 10 minutes.
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
The EV Delusion Crumbles: Major Automakers Are Out!


FLIP FLOP

It’s almost like there’s something wrong with the idea of EVs. I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe it’s the fact that when you trot down to your neighbourhood EV dealer, stopping for a soy latte and some tofu, you’re buying an expensive iPhone on wheels (and we all know what the resale value of a 5 or 10-year old iPhone is like).

You tell yourself you’re excited to be saving the planet as you power the bad boy up with some vegan electricity subsidised by the pronoun compliant guvmint, but now those subsidies are now being pulled (governments are bankrupt — surprise), and your vegan electricity is being imported from Indonesian coal mines and it’s costing a lot more than your old planet killing V8 supercharged testosterone-boosting muscle car and you’re pissed. Or maybe it’s the cost? Or maybe most people just don’t appreciate being forced to switch their car because the alphabet people say so?

It could be any of these things, but you know what? If you ask me, it’s quite simple. It is this very simple metric by which so much of human behaviour can be deduced. When it comes to buying isht, what folks want is a high quality item at a reasonable price and one that is more competitive than alternatives. The fact is that when it comes to their wallet nobody gives a pig’s arse about saving the planet. And THAT, my friends, is where the EV fraud stumbles, trips, and then jarringly smashes its face into a brick wall of reality.

And this brings us to our beer-drinking, bratwurst-eating friends — some of the best designers and manufacturers of cars ever. The Germans, specifically, Audi, who are doing a massive U-turn on electric vehicles. DROPPING their earlier goal of producing only electric vehicles by 2026. And they’re not the only ones.

Audi puts big EV push on the back burner

CEO Gernot Döllner told Bloomberg. “In the end, we decided to spread it out to not overwhelm the team and the dealerships.

Hahaha! That’s what he actually said to Bloomberg, but you know what he’d say to his mates down at the local beer hall? He’d tell them what an insider in the European automotive industry told us over a year ago — that there is bugger all demand for these stupid things and that many of the European auto manufacturers were going to land up being stuck with unwanted inventory… and some would probably “not make it through.”

Speaking of “others.” Mercedes Benz are also doing the same. They are bailing on EVs and instead are ramping up production of ICEs.

Mercedes-Benz delays electrification goal, beefs up combustion engine line-up

The company now expects sales of electrified vehicles, including hybrids, to account for up to 50% of the total by 2030 – five years later than its forecast from 2021, when it aimed to hit the 50% milestone by 2025 with mostly all-electric cars.

And perhaps most curious of the bunch: Apple. After 16 years of teasing entry into the EV market, Apple just bailed on their long-awaited electric car.

After 16 Years, Apple Abandons Work On Electric Car

One other thing worth mentioning is that Apple sits on a gobsmacking $162 billion in cash. And even with all that cash, they decided to pass on the “EV revolution.”

What to make of all this? As we like to say around here, everyone is a greenie until it hits their pocket. It seems to me that maybe, just maybe, Audi, Mercedes, and Apple have figured out that EVs are not the silver bullet they were promised to be.

And speaking of Apple, guess what they’re focusing on instead…

Many employees from the Special Projects Group (SPG), responsible for the car, will transition to the artificial intelligence division led by executive John Giannandrea. Their focus will shift to generative AI projects, aligning with the company’s evolving priorities.

Why, AI, of course. Which brings me to…

CONTRARIAN SIGNS IN TECH

The recent AI-fueled rally in Magnificent 7 Magnificent 2 lured many investors from the sidelines and converted even the most hardened “growth” sceptics (short sellers).

Meanwhile, contrary signs abound…

James Packer bets big on US tech stocks

Billionaire James Packer has more than doubled his investment in the US sharemarket to just shy of $US800m ($1.2bn), taking massive bets on the future of Facebook and chipmaker Nvidia.

The headlong dive into tech and the sudden reshaping of his portfolio has seen about a quarter of his wealth moved into three listed companies – Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta Platforms, Nvidia Corporation and software behemoth Adobe.

The overhaul has also resulted in Packer dumping the majority of his previous stock holdings in 24 companies across financial services, hospitality, tourism and private equity-led funds.

But far and away the biggest movement has been Packer’s newly-purchased stake in Meta, owner of Facebook, a play worth $US223.5m.

You don’t hear of billionaires investing in the likes of Exxon, Chevron, Haliburton, or Peabody and the like!

Ah, those contrary signs get even stronger!

Stocks don’t get included into the Dow when they are out of favour. In fact there are numerous studies out there that show, beyond reasonable doubt, that stocks added to the Dow tend to UNDERPERFORM while those dropped from the index OUTPERFORM. Who Woulda thunk it?

In fact, just as I was writing this issue, I came across the following…

Exxon getting dropped might be the best case in point as it perfectly highlights the sentiment around energy investments. Exxon was booted from the Dow in September 2020. And guess when the best time to buy it was…

Look at how it’s taken off since then.

Now, on their own we wouldn’t get all excited about each of these little contrary signs. But when you treat them like the attendee list at Davos and line them all up against a wall, they collectively become a strong form contrary sign — even more so when you consider the below chart that shows energy is the most uncorrelated sector to tech. In other words, the best place to hide when tech stocks buckle is in fact energy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-03-12/ev-delusion-crumbles-major-automakers-are-out 

So, the market is punishing this because nobody wants it, the stock market is seeing this as dead cat bounce again and again to the point of letting them fall to earth under their own weight. Meanwhile Mr. Trendy Fart Car has his head so far up his own ass there's no longer room for the soy lattes!

Tell us again how much you paid for your brick on wheels? Oh the money you could've saved if you weren't so stupid!


Even Porsche dropping the game too!

Porsche Stock Spikes 10% Despite Profit Warning, Ready For Shift Away From EVs


In yet another endless sign our markets are completely broken and unredeemable, Porsche stock was up 10% on Tuesday, despite the company warning about its profit for the year.

Porsche reported a 7.7% increase in sales revenue for 2023, reaching 40.53 billion euros ($44.29 billion), with its operating profit climbing by 7.6% to 7.28 billion euros, according to CNBC.

But it also announced a predicted dip in profitability for 2024 due to new model launches and challenging economic conditions, despite raising its dividend after a profitable 2023. The luxury carmaker anticipates an operating profit margin between 15% and 17%, a decrease from the 18% seen in the past two years, aiming for a long-term goal above 20%.

The company said that the forecast reflected the impact of product range updates, global economic factors, higher depreciation costs, and ongoing investments.

The company plans to introduce new versions of the Panamera, Macan, Taycan, and 911 models in 2024, it said. It was also reported yesterday that the company would be 'flexible' on any new combustion engine rules that could potentially be rolled back by the EU, per Bloomberg.

The report said the company is prepared to "steer investments back to combustion-engine cars" if the EU delays its timeline for phasing out ICE vehicles. It had previously planned to phase out ICE investments in 2026 and 2027, but Chief Financial Officer Lutz Meschke said “we are flexible to react” if the rules change.

Chairman Oliver Blume commented Tuesday: “2024 is going to be a year of product launches for Porsche – more so than any year in our history.”

He continued: “We will be introducing a variety of exhilarating sports cars to the road, they will delight our customers around the world. This will put the wind at our back for years to come.”

Meschke added: “Porsche proved in 2023 that we are resilient, highly profitable and financially robust even in volatile times. And we benefit from an even better-balanced sales structure than in the past.”

“On this basis, we’re laying the groundwork in 2024 for a flying start in 2025. Our focus remains on the sustainable success of the company. Our customers and employees, the company and our shareholders all benefit.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/porsche-stock-spikes-10-tuesday-despite-profit-warning 


BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Teslas Depreciate Way Faster Than Maseratis Or Alfa Romeos: Study



A new report for iSeeCars blames Tesla's aggressive price cuts for the cars' rapid depreciation. The king is dead, long live the king. Those who own Maseratis are rejoicing today after they have learned their brand no longer sits atop the throne of depreciation. Instead, heavy is the head of Tesla.

A new study by ISeeCars reveals that Tesla is the highest depreciating brand year-over-year, and it's not even close. The all-electric automaker beat out Maserati and Alfa Romeo, both brands that are known for heavy depreciation. I'm sorry in advance to all of the owners who bought at the top.

Tesla's Price War

Tesla has been aggressively lowering the prices of its new vehicles for a few years now. The electric automaker has been fighting supply chain issues, economic challenges like rising interest rates, and more competitors. Its solution? Drop prices like crazy. Thankfully, Tesla has the margin to sustain these drops, but owners are now caught holding the bag.

The study consisted of 1.8 million used cars (aged between 1 and 5 years) sold between February 2023 and 2024. ISeeCars assessed the value of the vehicles, the market they were sold in, and a myriad of other data to determine just how far used values have tumbled in 12 months.

At the top of the list sits Tesla, the pioneer of the mass-market EV. In just a year, the average price of a used Tesla fell from $51,323 to $36,515 across all models. This is a drop of 28.9% (or $14,808) year-over-year. That figure is more than three times that of Maserati and twice as much as Alfa Romeo. Sheesh.

So what gives, exactly? Why the big drop in the value of used Teslas? Karl Brauer, iSeeCars Executive Analyst, comments:

Used Teslas lost more value than any other brand, and with a 28.9 percent decline they lost more than twice as much value as second-place Alfa Romeo. Elon’s desire to maintain new Tesla sales through price cuts had a very destructive impact on the brand's residual values.

It's no secret that Tesla has been aggressive on its pricing. Hell, even the landscape of EVs has changed since last year. Many folks who couldn't easily benefit from the $7,500 EV tax credit to their taxes can now apply it at the point of sale. That subsidy alone surely crushed used EV prices.

It's important to note that it isn't just Tesla dropping in value. All used EVs tend to depreciate heavily depreciating. It's likely a product of the changing EV landscape, where products are substantially improving every year.

The study shows that while the average car dropped just 3.6% in value YOY, electric cars were hit harder. On average, used EVs dropped 31.8%. Leading the pack is the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf, but not far behind was the Tesla Model X with a 24.6% drop, followed by the Model 3 at 24.1%, and the Model S at 20.5%. Note that the MSRP doesn't include any relevant tax credits. Since many people are paying $7500 under MSRP for new vehicles, used prices for qualifying will almost always be significantly lower than the new car's sticker price.

As for owners, well, we're feeling it.

A year ago, the Model 3 Performance was $53,240. The last time an inventory car popped up on Tesla's website, it was $48,700, according to Tesla Price Tracker. To make things sting a bit more, the M3P cost $62,990 in January 2023 and $78,000 when it launched in May 2018. Model X owners have it even worse. The lowest cost 2023 Model X Plaid on cars.com is $83,161. This time last year, a new Plaid was $119,990 after a price cut from $138,990 in January

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-hybrids/teslas-depreciate-way-faster-than-maseratis-or-alfa-romeos-study/ar-BB1jPyEv?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=49d18d133e294ab9b0d4f1f979930871&ei=199 

Watch out for falling prices there "Tony Stark" of Fart cars! You're in Walmart Country!
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Brewha
2 years ago

Just got a new Honda Accord Sport Hybrid. 46/41 mileage rating, but I am doing even better than that in bothe the city and on the highway. Not time... for electric yet

rfenst wrote:



Just curious Robert, Do you live in a place where you could charge an EV at home?

What made you choose a hybrid?

Did you test drive an EV or two?
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
The below article sums up the way I feel about EV's. Despite the reality that one doesn't fit into my life and most people's life it shouldn't be mandated by an Executive Branch agency. The Free Market will decide winners and losers based on open market realities like price, supply/demand, viability and not if it checks boxes the WEF, fanatical Green initiatives, and political parties. Common Sense needs to prevail, not emotional meltdowns and prying on feelings all while enriching a nation like China that does NOT have the World's better interests in mind. Enjoy.



The Hertz Meltdown Reveals Scale Of The EV Debacle



The Biden administration’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has revealed its ambition: to phase out gas-powered cars in favor of electric vehicles (EVs). Incredibly, this announcement comes as we are flooded with overwhelming evidence that EVs are a market loser.

Indeed, the artificial boom and then meltdown of the EV market is a modern industrial calamity. It was created by government, social media, wild disease frenzy, far-flung thinking, and the irrational chasing of utopia, followed by a rude awakening by facts and reality.

CEO of Hertz Stephen Scherr has been booted out due to a vast purchase of an EV fleet that consumers didn’t even want to rent. The company has now been forced to sell them at a deep discount and in a market where consumers are not particularly interested.

Looking back, however, Scherr’s decision to bet everything on an EV boom was a disaster that was highly praised at the time. Only last year, the company bragged: “This morning, [Hertz] was recognized by The White House for our efforts to expand access to electric vehicles across the country. Demand for EV rentals is growing and we’re here to help our customers electrify their travels.”

Pleasing the Biden administration is not the same as pleasing consumers.

The demand turned south fast in a real-world test of drivers. But that’s not all. Hertz could not make their investment pay no matter what they did.

The key issues with EVs are as follows.

The cost upfront is much higher.

Financing charges are higher.

They depreciate at a higher rate than internal combustion cars.

The insurance is more expensive, by at least 25 percent.

Repairs are much more expensive, if you can get them done at all, and take longer.

Tires are more expensive and don’t last as long because the car is so heavy.

Refueling is not easy and missteps here can have nightmarish consequences.

They are more likely to catch fire.

Any motor vehicle accident that impacts the battery can lead to repairs higher than the value of the car, that is totaled with so much as a scratch.

To top it all over, there is no longer any financial advantage to the driver. It now costs slightly more to charge under many conditions than to refuel with gasoline.

The novelty of driving one for a day wears off after the first day. At first they seem like the greatest thing that ever happened, like an iPhone with wheels. That’s great but then the problems crop up and people start to realize that they are fine for urban commutes with home chargers and not much else.

They make truly terrible rentals. Obviously, under rental conditions, people have to use charging stations rather than a charger in the garage. That means spending part of your vacation figuring out where to find one.

Not all are superchargers, and if it is a regular charger, you are looking at an overnight wait. If you do find a station with fast chargers, you might have to wait in line. They might not work. You waste hours doing this. And you likely have to reroute your trip even to find a station without any certainty that you will get a spot with a functioning charger.

No one wants to do this. When you rent a car, all you want is a car that goes the distance. And typically car rentals are for going some distance else you would just take a taxi or a Lyft from the airport. You might need to drive several hours. And god forbid that this takes place in cold weather because that can reduce your mileage by half. Your whole trip will be ruined.

Why in the world would anyone want to rent one of these things rather than a gas-powered car? You might be better off with a horse and carriage.

Did Hertz think of any of this before they spent $250M on a fleet? Nope. They were just doing the fashionable thing.

Again, I’m not knocking some uses for EVs. If you think of them as enclosed and souped up golf carts, you get the idea. They can be wonderful for certain urban environments so long as you don’t overuse them and have to get them repaired. You also have to be in a financial position to afford the higher costs all around, from financing to insurance to repairs and tires. And you have to be prepared to take a big loss on resale, if you can even manage to find a buyer.

There is money to be made in this market, as there is with any niche good or service. But that is covered with normal market conditions, not massive subsidies, mandates, and frenzies. The Hertz case proves it. It is a perfect clinical trial of these machines. We now know the answer. They cannot work.

And thank goodness because if the United States truly switched over in a big way from gas to electric, we would face other disasters. The wear and tear on roads is much worse due to the sheer weight of the cars, which is 25 percent higher than gas cars on average. Many parking garages would have to be rebuilt with new reinforcements.

Then there is the strain on the grid. There is no way the industry could handle the demand. Brownouts and travel restrictions would be essential. All this would pave the way toward 15-minute cities.

Please remember how this craze began. It was lockdown time and automakers suspended orders for parts and chips. They stopped cranking out cars. When demand intensified, the chip makers had moved on to other things, so delays escalated. By the summer of 2021, there was a general panic about a growing car shortage.

At that point, consumers were willing to buy anything on the lot, among which EVs. The sales records were completely misinterpreted. The manufacturers made huge investments, and the car rental companies did too. But the product had not really been tested. That test is taking place now, and the EVs are completely failing.

We keep hearing that this is still too early, that development has a long way to go, that more charging stations are coming, that manufacturers are going to overcome all these problems in time. All of this sounds very similar to what the producers of mRNA shots say: this was just a trial run and they will get better the next time.

Maybe but doubtful. There is a huge problem in the investment market right now. EVs are massive losers. Consumers, manufacturers, car rental companies, and every other market in which these lemons are made available are running away from them as fast as possible. They had their day in the sun and got fried.

There is another problem: surveillance. The car can be tracked anywhere and shut off at a moment’s notice. This is obviously a great thing if the government desires a social-credit system of citizens control.

At this point, it is doubtful that the industry can recover. And yet, even now, the Biden administration is planning more subsidies, more mandates, more restrictions on gas cars, and digging themselves even deeper into this hole.

“The Biden administration on Wednesday issued one of the most significant climate regulations in the nation’s history, a rule designed to ensure that the majority of new passenger cars and light trucks sold in the United States are all-electric or hybrids by 2032,” reports the New York Times.

You simply cannot make up nuttier stuff. At some point, we could see manufacturers making the cars just to satisfy the central planners but otherwise preparing to chop them up and throw them out. They would likely be happy to dump them in the ocean but that isn’t allowed either.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hertz-meltdown-reveals-scale-ev-debacle 


Remember, we as taxpayers already bailed out the Auto Industry. Here they are doing the government's bidding taking it in the butt with tens of BILLIONS of dollars in losses! Is there anyone dumb enough to give these companies MORE taxpayer money so they can continue to F' up with impunity or ramifications of their own desires to please their masters?
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tonygraz
2 years ago
Anti -electric, anti vaxer. What's next - flat earther. More likely to catch fire than something with gasoline and other flammable fluids (maybe, but seems to be less probable).Well, at least you aren't worried about gas prices.
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MACS
2 years ago

Anti -electric, anti vaxer. What's next - flat earther. More likely to catch fire than something with gasoline and other flammable fluids (maybe, but seems to be less probable).Well, at least you aren't worried about gas prices.

tonygraz wrote:



Perhaps reading comprehension is not your forte'. DMV has never said he is anti-electric vehicles. He said he disagrees with the government mandates, as we all should if we think rationally. He's not anti-vax, either... just anti experimental jabs never tested on humans until folks started lining up for it. Oh, and against mandates for that, too... my body my choice, right?
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DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
Thanks MACS.

Comical how critical thinking isn't employed with dignity. On this thread, I clearly point out(and my latest posted article did too) time and time again how the EV is really only a glorified golf cart. What I suspect is that certain people cannot and will not take the time to read...digest the information and see if there's something to learn. Instead, they see someone post that they don't like (their opinions too) for whatever reason and dismiss it. Kind of like the link you posted in another thread. The bias is obvious except to themselves. I like to think that with my opinions and the links I share to emphasize (or they do a much better job of summarizing it up tighter!) or to add to a point of view are those types of learning opportunities. Recently many posters bemoaned and shrieked how I never have an original thought and I'm incapable of one. I didn't know if I was supposed to laugh or feel sorry for them. I guess, especially when we're in this forum...a printed form of reading and writing devoid of sarcasm and smirking what's lost is that people actually do read and decide for themselves afterwards. If I'm lying...call me out...If I'm wrong, please show me where. I really try in my life to adapt and learn so it's not that I'm unwilling...perhaps I'm unchallenged.

Tony, I really don't know where you jumped the track to the point that you want to exclaim I'm a flatearther. I suppose that's supposed to be some sort of a put down. It's not. As a kid I wanted to be an astronaut. I was immersed with the idea of space travel. It was young and daring. I can still remember watching the first lunar landing on tv. I had printed transcripts of all the Gemini and Apollo missions in really nice 3 ring binders and could quote them. Even went to the Griffiths Observatory many times with school and with my family to see the telescope do it's thing. As a young adult they had an observatory in Orlando that did cool stuff like show all the lunar landing sites with Pink Floyd blaring. You could see the flags where they were placed, the footprints and tire tracks of the lunar buggy and even the buggy itself. Even had the wallpaper in my bedroom of the view from the moon looking back at Earth. Whomever told you that was ever a thing, you need to do a better job educating the people you hang around with. You've failed them. You failed trying to insult me. You didn't fail providing comic relief though. I laughed when I read your post.
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