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Brewha
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2 years ago

#1321

Resistance is futile.

HockeyDad wrote:

Only if less than one Ohm.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#1322

You know the enginering, I do not. I think you answered my questions. A lot of people will buy a minimalist design to recieve the savings. There are also a lot of people who could care less if they have power windows and such. It is simply transportation from A to B.

Speyside2 wrote:

Even at the extreme of luxury and performance EVs are still far simpler.

Your Lucid Sapphire, extravagant luxury and performance that only a hand full of cars at any price and complexity can even approach. Yet when you look at the design, it has a very short parts list and far less points of failure and maintenance.

All things being equal, EVs have a large advantage in the marketplace. This is why all of the top performance brands are going EV.

In the coming decades the charging issues will go away. Today it is only a phantom issue for homeowners, but a real issues for apartment dwellers. This has already begun to change.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#1323

Decent article on a Chilean leach field.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25333710-200-lithium-fields-beautiful-from-the-air-trouble-on-the-ground/

More:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-022-00387-5

Really surprised California is onboard with this...but then again...It's Cali.

https://www.enr.com/articles/58102-groundbreaking-lithium-extraction-plant-launches-in-california

So good for the environment.

https://www.wired.com/story/lithium-batteries-environment-impact/

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Thanks, I’ll read them all.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#1324

Cali don’t care about Chilean leach fields. They are not in California!

izonfire
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2 years ago

#1325

Ya'd think you'd find more Chilean leaches in a swamp... 🤔

Brewha
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2 years ago

#1326

Didn't they drain that?

Sunoverbeach
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2 years ago

#1327

As someone who lives near the location formerly known as the Grand Kankakee Marsh, yes they did

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#1328

The AP put out an interesting article this AM. Accordingly it doesn’t bode well for the EV market.

Average US vehicle age hits record 12.6 years as high prices force people to keep them longer

https://apnews.com/article/average-vehicle-age-record-prices-high-5f8413179f077a34e7589230ebbca13d#

Since Americans seem to be holding on to their cars longer due to high new car prices those who do buy on average would probably shy away from paying 15-30% more for an automobile with the same amenities just so they can have an EV.

In addition the argument that one would save money over time with an EV is probably not something most car buyers are going to consider since the current average saving rate is around 3% of annual salary. If Americans aren’t actively saving for their future there is no reason to believe they are going to consider short term savings which may or may not be realistic.

Add to that a recent Marketwatch survey found 2/3’s of those surveyed feel like they are living paycheck to paycheck. So any savings from fuel would probably be offset by a higher monthly car payment as well as an increase in their electric bill related to charging their EV.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#1329

For those who don’t want to buy an EV, there is always mass transportation options.

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#1330

For those who don’t want to buy an EV, there is always mass transportation options.

HockeyDad wrote:

Exactly. In fact they should write their own code that makes one out of thin air.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#1331

We will have a hell of a problem with used batteries once the EVs dominate market share. Sure, they can be recycled once or used for storage projects but that is not an efficient use for the materials. It won’t become a problem until it is an environmental crisis. Then suddenly there will be a huge outcry over environmental concerns. That’s just a guess.

HockeyDad
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2 years ago

#1332

jeebling wrote:

Nothing that a couple of trillion dollars can’t fix.

jeebling
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2 years ago

#1333

How long does it take to print a couple trillion? They don’t even bother. It’s just a few keystrokes on the computer.

Brewha
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2 years ago

#1334

Abrignac wrote:

Meanwhile, maniacal scientists work to summon into existence the inordinate presence of the Used EV.

With the unholy mix of low maintenance, economical purchase price and a truly un-American operating cost, the peril to the future of all ICE vehicles becomes unspeakable….

Dim Sum anyone?

Edited by user 2 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Brewha
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2 years ago

#1335

For those who don’t want to buy an EV, there is always mass transportation options.

HockeyDad wrote:

Special trains, late at night, with the promise of a hot shower at the end?

Abrignac
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2 years ago

#1336

Brewha wrote:

So if I understand correctly you think that we should chase the Chinese down an industry rabbit hole that every major car manufacturer in the world other than those owned by the Chinese are pulling back?

Maybe they know something the Chinese don’t know?

Brewha
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2 years ago

#1337

No, that is not what I think. I think Americans should be smarter – which we can both agree is a stupid thing to say.

Of “Every major manufacturer”, second and third by volume are the Volkswagen Group and Hyundai/Kia. They are not “pulling back on EV’s” – far from it, particularly in the case of Kia. And BYD’s volume is half that of GM.

Now our legacy brands – Ford and GM – are struggling to make EV’s at a profit. And in GM’s case have offerings that are nothing short of self-destructive (who the hell wants a 10,000 pound electric Hummer for over $100,000???). And they are having trouble selling them – because their offerings are not compelling or a particularly good value.

Ford and GM may never be able to compete. Understand that they are “car assemblers” not makers – they make almost nothing. Put them against new tech companies that are not beholding to long time vendors and contracts, and they cannot just “change”. BYD and Tesla own virtual the whole process – even owning Lithium mines. And they are true technology companies. In the end, cost, value, and quality will own the market. I wish the American makers good luck – they truly need it.

Originally aircraft was “not ready for prime time”. But governments invested in them – to be used as weapons. In a similar way the Chinese are funding an arms race over marketing automobiles.

And we will ignore it.

Speyside2
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2 years ago

#1338

Ford and GM have to contend with unions, this is why they cannot make a quality EV at a profit. On the other hand Tesla does not have to deal with unions. Teslas' employees do not want a union, there have been numerous votes with the same result, no. I think Tesla is missing an opportunity, make a small well built, bare bones EV through a subsidiary corporation.