Abrignac
2 years ago

Opinion: How Electric Vehicles Can Make Everyone Happy
Ending subsidies, mandates and tariffs would expand use of EVs while letting people continue driving the cars they want.


WSJ

One of the first things you learn about in an economics course is the concept of trade-offs: You can’t have everything you want. This is relevant in the debate about electric vehicles. U.S. auto workers want to keep their jobs. Most U.S. drivers still prefer cars with internal combustion engines. Environmentalists want Americans to buy EVs. And free traders want, well, free trade. Something’s got to give.

Or does it? There’s a path that would enable each party to achieve many of its objectives. First, end mandates and subsidies for EVs. Second, eliminate President Biden’s 100% tariff on EVs from China and allow duty-free imports. Free trade would give lower- and middle-income Americans the chance to buy relatively cheap imported EVs. More people driving EVs would make environmentalists happy. And ending mandates and subsidies would allow U.S. automakers to do what they do best: make cars with internal combustion engines. That in turn would keep U.S. auto workers employed and able to continue using their specific skills.

If we stick to our current policy path, none of these goals is attainable. For one, environmentalists can’t achieve their aims. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that 56% of new cars would need to be EVs by 2032 to meet the agency’s emissions goals. Even with subsidies and California-style mandates, meeting that benchmark is unrealistic. According to the Energy Department, EVs and hybrids combined made up only 9.1% of all light-duty vehicles sold last year. According to the Energy Information Administration, only 1.2% of light-duty vehicles on the road in 2022 were EVs or plug-in hybrids.

There are three reasons it’s unrealistic to expect more than half of new cars sold to be EVs. First, EVs are expensive. A new EV sold in the U.S. is priced, on average, at just over $50,000, more than most drivers are willing or able to pay. Second, people are rightly worried about driving an EV a long distance and being able to reach a charging station that recharges the car quickly. Third, when temperatures fall below freezing—which happens often in much of the U.S.—it takes significantly longer to charge an EV.

It’s unlikely that within the next 10 years EVs will make up more than 25% of all cars sold annually. But we could likely come much closer to hitting the 25% mark in a few years, with no subsidies or mandates, simply by pursuing free trade, which would lower the first of the three barriers: cost. BYD, a Chinese manufacturer, offers some EV models that cost less than $20,000—significantly cheaper than U.S.-made EVs.

If the U.S. makes EVs more accessible and affordable by welcoming duty-free imports, environmentalists will be closer to achieving their goal of getting more EVs on the road, consumers who want to buy EVs will be able to do so more easily, and automakers can focus on making cars with internal combustion engines, which would support auto workers’ jobs.

So let’s get rid of mandates, subsidies and tariffs. There’s no perfect trade-off, but some are better than others.



Mr. Henderson is a research fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. He was senior economist for energy with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers.

rfenst wrote:




Or the government should mandate lower emission standards, absent a technology mandate, over a stepped time period. For example DEF systems on diesel powered vehicles. Before the advent of DEF systems one knew if a vehicle was diesel powered simply by the volume of black smoke coming from the tail pipe. However now one never sees smoke from a diesel powered vehicle unless its engine was manufactured before the implementation of DEF or its in need of repair.

ICE powered vehicle emissions have been severely reduced in the past 30 years. Twenty years ago when viewing Los Angeles from a distance once could see a smog dome covering the metropolitan area. That dome no longer exists. In fact historical air quality data shows a tremendous reduction in green house gases. EV’e didn’t do that. Cleaner burning engines were responsible for that change.

If manufacturers were forced to make cleaner vehicles they would do so in the most efficient way possible.
jeebling
2 years ago

I just found it an interesting economics topic for both sides of the discussion here?

rfenst wrote:



Definitely. And it would be a a useful topic for society at-large to discuss. We need to put the bickering aside long enough to see the win. Just my thoughts.

🇨🇮
jeebling
2 years ago
Anthony, post 1401. This reminds me of an ordinance they enacted in Tokyo, Japan. Basically, the large tractor type trucks with the old “dirty” diesel engines were and still are prohibited from entering Tokyo. I think they implemented this ordinance in Osaka and a few other places. They implemented electric bus mass transit. The city was noticeably changed for the better. The air was more fresh and the buildings gradually became cleaner.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Anthony, post 1401. This reminds me of an ordinance they enacted in Tokyo, Japan. Basically, the large tractor type trucks with the old “dirty” diesel engines were and still are prohibited from entering Tokyo. I think they implemented this ordinance in Osaka and a few other places. They implemented electric bus mass transit. The city was noticeably changed for the better. The air was more fresh and the buildings gradually became cleaner.

jeebling wrote:



FWIW I drive big rigs so I’ve got some knowledge in that area. There is no shortage of them in and around Los Angeles. But that said the air quality is much better than it was 20 years ago. It’s all about clean air standards. No need to mandate a vehicle type to achieve clean air. Simply set ppm thresholds and the markets will react accordingly.
Speyside2
2 years ago
Why not natural gas vehicles? They only produce 15% of the pollution that gasoline and diesel vehicles do. Also, we have an unlimited supply right here. Fueling stations could be quickly built. Most of it could be carried by ship to natural gas docks such as those used in Germany.
BuckyB93
2 years ago
Good question. I think it's because LP is more dangerous and lack of places to fill up. It needs to be under pressure to keep it liquid and driving around with a bomb in the trunk can be rather dangerous.

Forklifts, busses, taxis and stuff often use LP but having 1000's vehicles driving around on an average day is probably not very safe. It doesn't take much for to LP go boom. You can toss a lit match into puddle of gas and the match will most likely snuff out and not go boom (don't try this at home).
jeebling
2 years ago
If you toss a lit match into a puddle of gasoline it will not snuff out. It will go boom. Maybe you mean diesel?
rfenst
2 years ago
Opinion: How Electric Vehicles Can Make Everyone Happy
Ending subsidies, mandates and tariffs would expand use of EVs while letting people continue driving the cars they want.

WSJ

By the end of the decade, an estimated 30 million electric vehicles could be on U.S. roads, up from about three million now. All those cars could store as much power as a day’s output from dozens of nuclear plants.

But of course those millions of cars may also put a strain on the grid, which is already getting increasing electricity demand from heat pumps and data centers, said Aseem Kapur, chief revenue officer at GM Energy, a unit of General Motors that provides services to electric vehicle owners. By helping to smooth out demand, “E.V.s can be a significant resource,” he said.

But a few problems need to be worked out before that vision can be realized.

Owners may not be eager to have their cars serve the grid because they are worried that constant charging and discharging will wear down their batteries faster.

Some energy experts said the degradation would be insignificant, especially if utilities drew on only a small fraction of a battery’s capacity. Renault is dealing with that issue by offering participants in its energy storage program the same eight-year, 160,000-kilometer warranty that people who don’t take part receive.

Another challenge is that some U.S. utilities and the state regulators that oversee them prefer running centralized grids in which energy flows almost entirely in one direction — from power plants to homes and businesses.

To overcome resistance from utilities, Maryland last month adopted a law that requires them to accommodate bidirectional charging schemes and provide financial incentives.

There is growing recognition that electric vehicle batteries are valuable investments that most owners will actively use for only a few hours a day.

“We want to unlock the full value of electric vehicle batteries,” said Gregor Hintler, chief executive of the Mobility House for North America.

If all the electric cars in New York City were used as storage, said Dr. Preindl, the Columbia professor, “those vehicles would be the most valuable power plant in New York by far.”

Consolidated Edison, the utility that serves New York City and some of its suburbs, is exploring how managing charging times and using electric vehicles for storage could help it cope with the fast growth of battery-powered cars.

Contrary to popular fears, “the grid is not going to collapse” because of electric cars, said Britt Reichborn-Kjennerud, the director of e-mobility at Con Ed. “The bigger concern is that if we don’t plan differently for this very fast-increasing load, the grid won’t be ready in time to support the transition.”

Con Ed supplies the power to a Bronx depot for New York City electric school buses, where Mobility House software allows more vehicles to use the facility.

Fleets of electric vehicles owned by businesses or governments are a particularly promising form of backup energy storage. Vans or trucks have large batteries and tend to have predictable routes and schedules.

Ford Pro, the commercial-vehicle division of Ford Motor, has begun offering free chargers to customers who allow them to be switched off during peaks in electricity demand. Owners also save on their electricity bills.

Ford provides the software to manage the chargers and accommodate customers’ driving needs, and it manages the relationship with utilities. Ford is testing the service in Massachusetts before expanding it to other states. The next step will be a two-way system that allows the vehicles to send energy to the grid.

“What smart charging can do is cut costs,” said Jim Gawron, director of charging strategy at Ford’s electric vehicle division. “That has been a key barrier for customers.”

A correction was made on June 5, 2024: An earlier version of this article incorrectly described how much money, according to a Renault executive, participants in a program that sends power from their car batteries to the grid could save on their home energy bills. Customers could cut their energy bills by 50 percent, not 15 percent.
Brewha
2 years ago

Opinion: How Electric Vehicles Can Make Everyone Happy
Ending subsidies, mandates and tariffs would expand use of EVs while letting people continue driving the cars they want.


WSJ

One of the first things you learn about in an economics course is the concept of trade-offs: You can’t have everything you want. This is relevant in the debate about electric vehicles. U.S. auto workers want to keep their jobs. Most U.S. drivers still prefer cars with internal combustion engines. Environmentalists want Americans to buy EVs. And free traders want, well, free trade. Something’s got to give.

Or does it? There’s a path that would enable each party to achieve many of its objectives. First, end mandates and subsidies for EVs. Second, eliminate President Biden’s 100% tariff on EVs from China and allow duty-free imports. Free trade would give lower- and middle-income Americans the chance to buy relatively cheap imported EVs. More people driving EVs would make environmentalists happy. And ending mandates and subsidies would allow U.S. automakers to do what they do best: make cars with internal combustion engines. That in turn would keep U.S. auto workers employed and able to continue using their specific skills.

If we stick to our current policy path, none of these goals is attainable. For one, environmentalists can’t achieve their aims. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that 56% of new cars would need to be EVs by 2032 to meet the agency’s emissions goals. Even with subsidies and California-style mandates, meeting that benchmark is unrealistic. According to the Energy Department, EVs and hybrids combined made up only 9.1% of all light-duty vehicles sold last year. According to the Energy Information Administration, only 1.2% of light-duty vehicles on the road in 2022 were EVs or plug-in hybrids.

There are three reasons it’s unrealistic to expect more than half of new cars sold to be EVs. First, EVs are expensive. A new EV sold in the U.S. is priced, on average, at just over $50,000, more than most drivers are willing or able to pay. Second, people are rightly worried about driving an EV a long distance and being able to reach a charging station that recharges the car quickly. Third, when temperatures fall below freezing—which happens often in much of the U.S.—it takes significantly longer to charge an EV.

It’s unlikely that within the next 10 years EVs will make up more than 25% of all cars sold annually. But we could likely come much closer to hitting the 25% mark in a few years, with no subsidies or mandates, simply by pursuing free trade, which would lower the first of the three barriers: cost. BYD, a Chinese manufacturer, offers some EV models that cost less than $20,000—significantly cheaper than U.S.-made EVs.

If the U.S. makes EVs more accessible and affordable by welcoming duty-free imports, environmentalists will be closer to achieving their goal of getting more EVs on the road, consumers who want to buy EVs will be able to do so more easily, and automakers can focus on making cars with internal combustion engines, which would support auto workers’ jobs.

So let’s get rid of mandates, subsidies and tariffs. There’s no perfect trade-off, but some are better than others.



Mr. Henderson is a research fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. He was senior economist for energy with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers.

rfenst wrote:



First off - you cannot make "everyone happy". Not even with the best technology. because "It is not in the order of things".

You cannot get rid of EV mandates - because they don't exist - they are proposed to come in limited areas more than 10 years from now.

EV's subsidies are a drop in the bucket. Yes they provided $7.5 billion for chargers - but have spend zero. And the tax incentives are more of a unicorn and point of angst than real money.

The proposed tariffs are to make it take longer for CHINA TO KICK OUT ASSES in the EV market.





People approach this subject with more emotion than logic or knowledge. Thus the pervasive myths about EVs.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
I like my EV. I’m easing into the technology.
Brewha
2 years ago

Make a basic EV with no power anything other than power steering. Make a small, medium, large, a minivan, a SUV, and a pickup. One color only, no options. A much lighter vehicle will travel farther. This would reduce the cost by over 50% in my opinion. Insted of a stereo an I pod to download lists into. Of course air conditioning, automatic transmission, saftey, and such. Use safe materials that cut as much expense as possible. Go to a fully automated AI plant with facility technicians for repair/trouble shooting. No chrome, just single color, no fancy wheels. Go vertical supply chain so there are no additional production costs due to proffet. Online sales only, set price no negotiations, no trade in, fob pick up. As much as possible in supply chain use ship and railroad for transportation. Ideally no over road hauling at all. IMHO this would allow building of the world's least expensive EV'S. Many people want transportation to get from a to b. As far as charging when not at home set up 2 phase 220V, not as quick as the best system, fast none the less. Set the chargers to charge to 80%, no electronics on the vehicle to do this. Make it so simple a shade tree mechanic can make repairs with a Chiltons like manual provided with the vehicle. No up charges or hidden charges. A 90 day warranty. 1 offered extended warranty. No financing offered. Perhaps a bit more, this is just off the top of my head.

Speyside2 wrote:



There is a huge amount of art and science to making cars cheaper. Many specialists, and even a good sized consulting shadow industry.A lot of it is not what most people would guess. Some fun facts about this:

People who buy exclusively on price buy used cars. So they are not your market if you are a car maker.

People do buy new for an number of emotional reasons; it look cool, it's better than yours, room for the dog and kids, real men drive trucks, germany makes the best, and my favorite "look at me".

Volume drives down cost - ever wonder why even an Econ-box has power windows?

The big advancement in the field today are the "Giga-Casting" of car subframes, simplification and consolidation of electronic controls (Single CAN buss, 48 volt power, minimal GUIs) and automated assembly.

So, most of what you are pointing to are being pioneered by BYD and Tesla. Others are waking up slowly, perhaps too late.

While you can't really get a good look at a BYD yet, go sit in a model 3. It is not futuristic minimalism - it is brutal cost cutting.
Brewha
2 years ago

It’s all about clean air standards. No need to mandate a vehicle type to achieve clean air. Simply set ppm thresholds and the markets will react accordingly.

Abrignac wrote:



Agreed that mandates should be about emissions. And we do have emission standards now for the betterment of us all.

Yet - Many Americans will always fight any mandate that restricts their "right" to do whatever they want to - "screw the environment". Some kids spend good money messing up their ride so the can "roll coal" just to coat the streets with "liberal tears".

EV's are pretty harmless. And the minimal mandates that have been proposed are pretty harmless as well. Yet, just look at the self righteous indignation and outright lies. Makes you wonder about who we are...
jeebling
2 years ago
The tragedy of the commons. Bellum omnium contra omnes A counter balance for me when I venture too far off the mark with my Libertarian leanings.
Brewha
2 years ago
In other words "this is why we can't have nice things"....
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Agreed that mandates should be about emissions. And we do have emission standards now for the betterment of us all.

Yet - Many Americans will always fight any mandate that restricts their "right" to do whatever they want to - "screw the environment". Some kids spend good money messing up their ride so the can "roll coal" just to coat the streets with "liberal tears".

EV's are pretty harmless. And the minimal mandates that have been proposed are pretty harmless as well. Yet, just look at the self righteous indignation and outright lies. Makes you wonder about who we are...

Brewha wrote:



More hyperbole straight out of your backside.

EV's are NOT harmless. The process to mine and process the minerals is horrific to the entire planet. Those are facts. "Rolling Coal" is a joke next to the EV debacle. As for lies, you keep spreading them.

I KNOW who you are.
rfenst
2 years ago
To Understand Elon Musk’s Descent, Look at His $46 Billion Pay Package


NYT

Dr. DeLong teaches economic history at the University of California, Berkeley, and is the author of “Slouching Towards Utopia: An Economic History of the Twentieth Century.”

Elon Musk is not just another inconsequential Silicon Valley billionaire.

Most of his inconsequential peers have two primary accomplishments: showing up at the right place at the right time and being sufficiently arrogant to continue the course rather than diversify. Had their shoes been empty, someone else would have stepped into them, and things would have been much the same.

But Mr. Musk changed the world.

He wanted to jump-start the decarbonization of human civilization’s energy. He succeeded. He drove Tesla to create the electric vehicle industry as we know it. Yes, he overpromised. But he often overdelivered and overdelivered spectacularly. Truly wonderful things happened with Tesla’s performance as a technology inventor, deliverer and deployer.

But “happened” is in the past tense. Much has changed since 2018, the year Tesla dreamed up an unorthodox pay package that, in theory, tied Mr. Musk’s pay to the company’s performance. Problem is, the performance was not for making high-quality cars or making affordable cars or making cars at scale. The performance was for pushing Tesla’s stock price up.

This pay package was, I think, bad for Mr. Musk. And it was, I am sure, bad for Tesla and, by extension, our nation’s crucial fight against global warming, by far. Tesla is now asking its shareholders to reapprove this pay package, which would hand Mr. Musk an eye-popping roughly $46 billion, making him, the world’s richest man, one of its highest-paid executives.


I have a recommendation for Tesla shareholders: Vote no.

The board promised Mr. Musk — at his urging — that if he made the board and the shareholders truly wealthy by boosting the stock price, by whatever means, he could have 12 percent of the company. Yet I believe this pay package helped drive his descent from visionary business leader to bizarre carnival barker. And that set of incentives and responses should not be validated.

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Here I need to back up and tell you what meme stocks are. The standard example is GameStop, a company that runs about 4,000 video game and electronics stores. Trading at $5 a share at the start of December 2020, its price rose to a staggering roughly $150 a share at the end of January 2021. Mr. Musk joined the fun by tweeting one word — “Gamestonk!!” — and the shares soared to $483 two days later, before beginning a long, jagged decline. As of the start of 2024, it was almost $17 a share after a four-for-one stock split, far above the $5 of 2020, even though nothing much had changed about its (struggling) business. And a recent revival of GameStop mania has since pushed it up to $30 a share.

Who is behind all of this crazy? It is not people who want to invest in a slice of Gamestop’s business over the long term. It is, rather, that people who are buying GameStop as a way of pledging allegiance to an idea, a meme, a cultural-technological movement of some kind — and a few hoping to get rich by tagging along and selling at the top. Past stock manias and bubbles involved people who believed that the company involved would be profitable or at least that they would be able to make money selling their stock to a greater fool than them who had just arrived in the marketplace and still believed. But GameStop stock became all but disconnected from the profit-and-loss statements of the 4,000 GameStop stores.

And so it has become with Tesla. It was no longer about getting better at making high-quality electric vehicles for which there was strong demand. For Mr. Musk, incentivized by his pay package, it became about a stock price that must go up.

After 2018, Mr. Musk went all in. He made noise, particularly on Twitter. He still overpromised, but he no longer overdelivered; instead he jumped from moonshot theme to moonshot theme to boost the meme-stock association of Tesla. Humanoid robots! Cybertrucks! Fleets of Tesla robotaxis! An artificial intelligence supercomputer whose brain would be all the idle Teslas in the world, networked! And the share price did zoom, making him the richest man on earth, from about $20, give or take, around 2018 to over $400 in late 2021 before beginning a jagged and often interrupted decline to its still lofty $174.

Tesla had always had build-quality problems. But it used to have a road map for fixing them. And it used to have a road map for gaining manufacturing expertise, adding capacity, introducing models to crawl down from the rarefied technoexperiment and luxury car markets into the enormous market of providing what Americans see as their basic transportation. But those seem to have fallen away. The idea that there would soon be a truly affordable mass-market Tesla receded from real soon to maybe someday. Instead we got the Cybertruck, for which demand is rather limited, as it is not set up to do the things that people who use pickup trucks need them for. And meanwhile, in China, BYD’s blade-battery technologies and process-manufacturing expertise grew by leaps and bounds.

Unlike GameStop, Tesla sells products a bit more critical to our future than games like Call of Duty. For the world, Tesla has been nothing short of a beacon of hope, a carbon-transition technological spearhead to a more sustainable future with less damage from global warming, via a rapid build-out of electric vehicles and power. For our shared future, the world very badly needs to return to the Tesla before 2018, when it was creating the societal knowledge of how to design and efficiently build electric vehicles at a truly ferocious rate.

A management focused on the actual business Tesla is engaged in is far better for society than a management focused on what the pay package incentivizes Mr. Musk to focus on every hour he spends working on the company: continuing the run of Tesla as a meme stock.

John Maynard Keynes wrote in 1936, with characteristic British understatement, “When the capital development of a country becomes a byproduct of a casino, the job is likely to be ill done.” Voting for the pay package would validate this focus, and that is a damned shame, for Elon Musk is truly consequential. And that is a big deal.

Or perhaps shareholders should vote for the pay package out of fear: If Mr. Musk regards himself as betrayed, he may no longer spend time talking up Tesla and its share price — and without his meme stock mojo, the shares could falter. Toyota makes generally higher-quality cars and has revenue that in 2023 was more than four times Tesla’s but commands only about three-fifths of its total market capitalization. That is how far down Tesla stock could go.

But I argue that we must accept the possibility of short-term pain for a forever payoff. Tesla almost certainly accounts for a plurality of Mr. Musk’s fortune. SpaceX makes up the bulk of the remainder. And SpaceX appears to be in very good hands, as he trusts the awesomely competent Gwynne Shotwell, who, as chief operating officer of SpaceX, has managed the marriage of fire and ice, building an organizational culture that combines an astonishing attention to detail with a willingness to experiment beyond the limits of what had been thought possible. She proves that Mr. Musk is capable of far better business judgment. Business judgment that Tesla desperately needs. Right now.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago
I firmly believe that Musk will shed Tesla and quite possibly X.

There's NOBODY doing what SpaceX is doing with the quality that they're doing it with.

Just remember, "Who is John Galt?"

If you haven't read "Atlas Shrugged", you should so you can figure out what lies in America's near future. In some instances, it's already happening.
Abrignac
2 years ago
DETROIT (AP) — Just before 2 a.m. on a chilly April night in Seattle, a Chevrolet Silverado pickup stopped at an electric vehicle charging station on the edge of a shopping center parking lot.

Two men, one with a light strapped to his head, got out. A security camera recorded them pulling out bolt cutters. One man snipped several charging cables; the other loaded them into the truck. In under 2½ minutes, they were gone.

The scene that night has become part of a troubling pattern across the country: Thieves have been targeting EV charging stations, intent on stealing the cables, which contain copper wiring. The price of copper is near a record high on global markets, which means criminals stand to collect rising sums of cash from selling the material.

The stolen cables often disable entire stations, forcing EV owners on the road to search desperately for a working charger. For the owners, the predicament can be exasperating and stressful.

Broken-down chargers have emerged as the latest obstacle for U.S. automakers in their strenuous effort to convert more Americans to EVs despite widespread public anxiety about a scarcity of charging stations. About 4 in 10 U.S. adults say they believe EVs take too long to charge or don’t know of any charging stations nearby.

America’s major automakers have made heavy financial bets that buyers will shift away from combustion engines and embrace EVs as the world faces the worsening consequences of climate change. Accordingly, the companies have poured billions into EVs.

Stellantis envisions 50% of its passenger cars being EVs by the end of 2030. Ford set a target of producing 2 million EVs per year by 2026 — about 45% of its global sales — though it has since suspended that goal. General Motors, the most ambitious of the three, has pledged to sell only EV passenger cars by the end of 2035.

Any such timetables, of course, hinge on whether the companies can convince more would-be EV buyers that a charge will always be available when they travel. The rise in cable thefts isn’t likely to strengthen the automakers’ case.

Two years ago, according to Electrify America, which runs the nation’s second-largest network of direct-current fast chargers, a cable might be cut perhaps every six months at one of its 968 charging stations, with 4,400 plugs nationwide. Through May this year, the figure reached 129 — four more than in all of 2023. At one Seattle station, cables were cut six times in the past year, said Anthony Lambkin, Electrify America’s vice president of operations.

“We’re enabling people to get to work, to take their kids to school, get to medical appointments,” Lambkin said. “So to have an entire station that’s offline is pretty impactful to our customers.”

Two other leading EV charging companies — Flo and EVgo — also have reported a rise in thefts. Charging stations in the Seattle area have been a frequent target. Sites in Nevada, California, Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Oregon, Tennessee, Texas and Pennsylvania have been hit, too.

Stations run by Tesla, which operates the nation’s largest fast-charging network, have been struck in Seattle, Oakland and Houston. So far this year, Seattle police have reported seven cases of cable thefts from charging stations, matching the number for all of 2023. Thieves hit Tesla stations four times this year compared with just once last year, the Seattle police said.

“Vandalism of public charging infrastructure in the Seattle metro area has unfortunately been increasing in frequency,” EVgo said.

The company said law enforcement officials are investigating the thefts while it tries to repair inoperable stations and considers a longer-term solution.

The problem isn’t confined to urban areas. In rural Sumner, Washington, south of Seattle, thieves cut cables twice at a Puget Sound Energy charging station. The company is working with police and the property owner to protect the station.

Until a month ago, police in Houston knew of no cable thefts. Then one was stolen from a charger at a gas station. The city has now recorded eight or nine such thefts, said Sgt. Robert Carson, who leads a police metal-theft unit.

In one case, thieves swiped 18 of 19 cords at a Tesla station. That day, Carson visited the station to inspect the damage. In the first five minutes that he was there, Carson said, about 10 EVs that needed charging had to be turned away.

In very large cities like Houston, charging stations typically contain an especially large number of plugs and cables, so thefts can be particularly damaging.

“They’re not just taking one,” Carson said. “When they’re hit, they’re hit pretty hard.”

Roy Manuel, an Uber driver who normally recharges his Tesla at the Houston station hit by thieves, said he fears being unable to do so because of stolen cables.

“If my battery was really low, I’d have quite an issue with operating my vehicle,” he said. “If it was so low that I couldn’t get to another charger, I might be in trouble. Might even need a tow truck.”

The charging companies say it’s become clear that the thieves are after the copper that the cables contain. In late May, copper hit a record high of nearly $5.20 a pound, a result, in part, of rising demand resulting from efforts to cut carbon emissions with EVs that use more copper wiring. The price is up about 25% from a year ago, and many analysts envision further increases.

Charging companies say there isn’t actually very much copper in the cables, and what copper is there is difficult to extract. Carson estimates that criminals can get $15 to $20 per cable at a scrap yard.

“They’re not making a significant amount of money,” he said. “They’re not going to be sailing on a yacht anywhere.”

Still, the more cables the thieves can steal, the more they can cash in. At $20 a cable, 20 stolen cables could fetch $400.

The problem for the charging companies is that it’s much costlier to replace cables. In Minneapolis, where cables have been clipped at city-owned charging stations, it costs about $1,000 to replace just one cable, said Joe Laurin, project manager in the Department of Public Works.

The charging companies are trying to fight back. Electrify America is installing more security cameras. In Houston, police are visiting recycling centers to look for stolen metal.

But it’s often hard for the scrap yards to determine conclusively whether metal came from a charging cable. Thieves often burn off the insulation and just sell strands of metal.

The Recycled Materials Association, which represents 1,700 members, is issuing scrap-theft alerts from law enforcement officials so that members can be on the lookout for suspects and stolen goods.

Because charging stations are often situated in remote corners of parking lots, Carson suggested that many more security cameras are needed.

In the meantime, Electrify America said Seattle police are trying to track down the thieves in the video. And Carson said the Houston police are pursuing leads in the Tesla theft.

“We’d like to get them stopped,” he said, “and then let the court system do what they’re supposed to do.”
rfenst
2 years ago

I firmly believe that Musk will shed Tesla and quite possibly X.

There's NOBODY doing what SpaceX is doing with the quality that they're doing it with.

Just remember, "Who is John Galt?"

If you haven't read "Atlas Shrugged", you should so you can figure out what lies in America's near future. In some instances, it's already happening.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


The article says Tesla should part ways with him.
And, yes I have read Atlas Shrugged twice in my life. I get it.
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