Brewha
2 years ago

People should buy EVs if they believe the government and the people that fly around in private jets that tell them they should buy an EV.

HockeyDad wrote:



Is that why you bought one?
HockeyDad
2 years ago

Is that why you bought one?

Brewha wrote:



I bought mine because I understand the engineering, I don’t miss gas stations and oil changes, the range is fine for my needs, my community is very EV friendly, and it’s just kinda fun to zip around in.
Brewha
2 years ago

I bought mine because I understand the engineering, I don’t miss gas stations and oil changes, the range is fine for my needs, my community is very EV friendly, and it’s just kinda fun to zip around in.

HockeyDad wrote:



And you're a rebel - thumbing your nose at the whole ICE crowd?
(no - I did NOT say ICE hole crowd)
Abrignac
2 years ago

Ok - I see now.
"People who should buy one" summons up images of an oppressive government controlling people lives - my bad.

Your words, not mine. I just wanted to know what criteria you used to determine who should own an EV.

While vehicle purchase are more emotion than logic, for each person the is a type of vehicle that best suits their needs.
Own a boat? get a truck.
Solo city commuter? Get a Econo-box.
In a band? buy a van. (huh - that rhymes).

I should buy an EV:
Solo commute to the office - less that 100 miles/day - do not like to drive 700 miles without a pizz brake.
Own a home and can charge there - saves megabucks on fuel costs - gas stations stops suck.
Tired of maintenance; oil, radiator, tune up, etc.
Like to go fast. Faster than most - really f*ckin fast.

And in past post I have outlined who should not buy an EV.

Brewha wrote:



On the other hand I think people should spend their money based on what’s important to them. If they want an EV fine. If they don’t, that’s fine as well.

In addition, considering the fact that our government is spending way more money than it takes in as well as having a huge debt service I don’t think we as a nation should be subsidizing a new industry to the tune of trillions of dollars.
rfenst
2 years ago

Here in Texas they imposed a $200 year tax on EVs. I just paid it.
- yippee ki-yay

Brewha wrote:


Was it a tax to make-up for lost rode-use gasoline tax that typically goes to road improvement?
HockeyDad
2 years ago

Was it a tax to make-up for lost rode-use gasoline tax that typically goes to road improvement?

rfenst wrote:



Yes, in California it was only $100. Texas is putting the spurs to Brewha because he wasn’t paying his fair share. The west coast states are looking at a fee per mile system where the government would track your car’s movements.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
The wife just took the EV down to Publix to pick up some subs. She coulda took the ICE but wanted to go zip around.
jeebling
2 years ago
If I could justify the expense of owning a second vehicle would get a zipper for around town. I’m just a po’ boy.
jeebling
2 years ago
Today BENZINGA writes:

“ Lithium and Rare Earths: Balancing Act

The demand for lithium and rare earths is projected to decline due to lower battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales. BEVs traditionally contain a higher content of these materials.

While HEVs and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are set to increase, their cumulative demand for lithium and rare earths won’t fully offset the drop from BEVs.”

Just throwing this out there for general FYI for the curious minded brothers.
Abrignac
2 years ago

Ok - I see now.
"People who should buy one" summons up images of an oppressive government controlling people lives - my bad.

While vehicle purchase are more emotion than logic, for each person the is a type of vehicle that best suits their needs.
Own a boat? get a truck.
Solo city commuter? Get a Econo-box.
In a band? buy a van. (huh - that rhymes).

I should buy an EV:
Solo commute to the office - less that 100 miles/day - do not like to drive 700 miles without a pizz brake.
Own a home and can charge there - saves megabucks on fuel costs - gas stations stops suck.
Tired of maintenance; oil, radiator, tune up, etc.
Like to go fast. Faster than most - really f*ckin fast.

And in past post I have outlined who should not buy an EV.

Brewha wrote:



But, WHY should they buy an EV?
Brewha
2 years ago

On the other hand I think people should spend their money based on what’s important to them. If they want an EV fine. If they don’t, that’s fine as well.

In addition, considering the fact that our government is spending way more money than it takes in as well as having a huge debt service I don’t think we as a nation should be subsidizing a new industry to the tune of trillions of dollars.

Abrignac wrote:



The 2024 Federal budget is $6.5 trillion. How many of those trillions go to EV subsidies?


Thanks HD!
Brewha
2 years ago

Was it a tax to make-up for lost rode-use gasoline tax that typically goes to road improvement?

rfenst wrote:



It is a tax on smugness - cause nobody like a smartass - especially if they drive an EV.
(take note HD)

And fwiw, the bill reads:

WINDSHIELD STICKER - $50.75
REG FEE-DPS - $1.00
CNTY ROAD BRIDGE ADD-ON FEE - $10.00
CHILD SAFETY FUND - $1.50
ELECTRICAL VEHICLE FEE - $200.00
INSPECTION FEE-1YR - $7.50
PROCESSING AND HANDLING FEE - $4.75

It is hard to read as the print is so small, but at the bottom it appears to read:
Take that, you tree huggin' Lefty!
Brewha
2 years ago

But, WHY should they buy an EV?

Abrignac wrote:



Oh,

Because people should buy their best option - for them - satisfaction included in that deal.*




* there are many here in texas that share my demographic, but would not be caught dead in anything other than a new F-150 Lariat - with all the options and a rifle rack.

Abrignac
2 years ago

The 2024 Federal budget is $6.5 trillion. How many of those trillions go to EV subsidies?


Thanks HD!

Brewha wrote:



I never said nor implied any amount of the 2024 would be used to subsidize the EV industry. I did say Trillions, but I never specified a time period. In an early thread you also stated the EV industry should be subsidized.

But back to the question that you chose not to answer. Why should someone buy an EV?

HockeyDad
2 years ago

The 2024 Federal budget is $6.5 trillion. How many of those trillions go to EV subsidies?


Thanks HD!

Brewha wrote:



No prob!
Brewha
2 years ago


But back to the question that you chose not to answer. Why should someone buy an EV?

Abrignac wrote:



See #1393


Oh,

Because people should buy their best option - for them - satisfaction included in that deal.*




* there are many here in texas that share my demographic, but would not be caught dead in anything other than a new F-150 Lariat - with all the options and a rifle rack.

Brewha wrote:

rfenst
2 years ago
Opinion: How Electric Vehicles Can Make Everyone Happy
Ending subsidies, mandates and tariffs would expand use of EVs while letting people continue driving the cars they want.


WSJ

One of the first things you learn about in an economics course is the concept of trade-offs: You can’t have everything you want. This is relevant in the debate about electric vehicles. U.S. auto workers want to keep their jobs. Most U.S. drivers still prefer cars with internal combustion engines. Environmentalists want Americans to buy EVs. And free traders want, well, free trade. Something’s got to give.

Or does it? There’s a path that would enable each party to achieve many of its objectives. First, end mandates and subsidies for EVs. Second, eliminate President Biden’s 100% tariff on EVs from China and allow duty-free imports. Free trade would give lower- and middle-income Americans the chance to buy relatively cheap imported EVs. More people driving EVs would make environmentalists happy. And ending mandates and subsidies would allow U.S. automakers to do what they do best: make cars with internal combustion engines. That in turn would keep U.S. auto workers employed and able to continue using their specific skills.

If we stick to our current policy path, none of these goals is attainable. For one, environmentalists can’t achieve their aims. The Environmental Protection Agency estimates that 56% of new cars would need to be EVs by 2032 to meet the agency’s emissions goals. Even with subsidies and California-style mandates, meeting that benchmark is unrealistic. According to the Energy Department, EVs and hybrids combined made up only 9.1% of all light-duty vehicles sold last year. According to the Energy Information Administration, only 1.2% of light-duty vehicles on the road in 2022 were EVs or plug-in hybrids.

There are three reasons it’s unrealistic to expect more than half of new cars sold to be EVs. First, EVs are expensive. A new EV sold in the U.S. is priced, on average, at just over $50,000, more than most drivers are willing or able to pay. Second, people are rightly worried about driving an EV a long distance and being able to reach a charging station that recharges the car quickly. Third, when temperatures fall below freezing—which happens often in much of the U.S.—it takes significantly longer to charge an EV.

It’s unlikely that within the next 10 years EVs will make up more than 25% of all cars sold annually. But we could likely come much closer to hitting the 25% mark in a few years, with no subsidies or mandates, simply by pursuing free trade, which would lower the first of the three barriers: cost. BYD, a Chinese manufacturer, offers some EV models that cost less than $20,000—significantly cheaper than U.S.-made EVs.

If the U.S. makes EVs more accessible and affordable by welcoming duty-free imports, environmentalists will be closer to achieving their goal of getting more EVs on the road, consumers who want to buy EVs will be able to do so more easily, and automakers can focus on making cars with internal combustion engines, which would support auto workers’ jobs.

So let’s get rid of mandates, subsidies and tariffs. There’s no perfect trade-off, but some are better than others.



Mr. Henderson is a research fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. He was senior economist for energy with President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers.
jeebling
2 years ago
If the political opponents can stomach allowing each other to score a win this might be the best way to break out of a rut we seem to be stuck in. It looks like we are in the cut off your nose to spite your face age of economics here in America.
Speyside2
2 years ago
Make a basic EV with no power anything other than power steering. Make a small, medium, large, a minivan, a SUV, and a pickup. One color only, no options. A much lighter vehicle will travel farther. This would reduce the cost by over 50% in my opinion. Insted of a stereo an I pod to download lists into. Of course air conditioning, automatic transmission, saftey, and such. Use safe materials that cut as much expense as possible. Go to a fully automated AI plant with facility technicians for repair/trouble shooting. No chrome, just single color, no fancy wheels. Go vertical supply chain so there are no additional production costs due to proffet. Online sales only, set price no negotiations, no trade in, fob pick up. As much as possible in supply chain use ship and railroad for transportation. Ideally no over road hauling at all. IMHO this would allow building of the world's least expensive EV'S. Many people want transportation to get from a to b. As far as charging when not at home set up 2 phase 220V, not as quick as the best system, fast none the less. Set the chargers to charge to 80%, no electronics on the vehicle to do this. Make it so simple a shade tree mechanic can make repairs with a Chiltons like manual provided with the vehicle. No up charges or hidden charges. A 90 day warranty. 1 offered extended warranty. No financing offered. Perhaps a bit more, this is just off the top of my head.
rfenst
2 years ago

If the political opponents can stomach allowing each other to score a win this might be the best way to break out of a rut we seem to be stuck in. It looks like we are in the cut off your nose to spite your face age of economics here in America.

jeebling wrote:


I just found it an interesting economics topic for both sides of the discussion here?
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