JGRAZ
2 years ago

Trump can't get this in to federal court unless there is a "federal issue" or "fundamental right" in play.

rfenst wrote:



Curious, argued by the right person, is that not present already with the prosecutors and judges alleged connections.
rfenst
2 years ago

Curious, argued by the right person, is that not present already with the prosecutors and judges alleged connections.

JGRAZ wrote:


It doesn't even take the right person to make those arguments. They are automatic in any appeal in this case.

But, no because those issue's/errors can be/will be, and therefore must be, remedied (corrected) through exhaustion of all possible attempts in the state court system first.

Now, if the state's highest court rules wrongly on a claim of federal issue or fundamental right, then the case may get in to the federal system.

The logistical concept in play here is that nothing moves up the ladder until the total conclusion of that portion of the case is resolved at that level below. It's a concept of "judicial economy" caused by keeping cases as low as possible whenever possible, unless absolutely necessary under the law.

Think of it this way: Murder loses at trial and gets death sentence under state murder law and is sentenced to death. Loses appeal at intermediate state court level. Loses again at state's highest court. Then, the murderer can go directly to the federal intermediate appeal court and, if necessary and still appropriate thereafter, SCOTUS as the final arbiter.

Orderly rules about progression through "the system" like this apply 98.2% of the time.
JGRAZ
2 years ago

No. Because those issue's /errors can be/will be, and therefore must be, remedied (corrected) through the state court system.

But, if the state's highest court rules wrongly on a claim of federal issue or fundamental right, as opposed to a state right or state law, then the case may get in to the federal system.

The logistical concept in play here is that nothing moves up the ladder until the total conclusion of that portion of the case is fully resolved at that level.

Orderly rules like this appply 98.2% of the time.

rfenst wrote:



Got it
Thank you
Abrignac
2 years ago

It doesn't even take the right person to make those arguments. They are automatic in any appeal in this case.

But, no because those issue's/errors can be/will be, and therefore must be, remedied (corrected) through exhaustion of all possible attempts in the state court system first.

Now, if the state's highest court rules wrongly on a claim of federal issue or fundamental right, then the case may get in to the federal system.

The logistical concept in play here is that nothing moves up the ladder until the total conclusion of that portion of the case is resolved at that level below. It's a concept of "judicial economy" caused by keeping cases as low as possible whenever possible, unless absolutely necessary under the law.

Think of it this way: Murder loses at trial and gets death sentence under state murder law and is sentenced to death. Loses appeal at intermediate state court level. Loses again at state's highest court. Then, the murderer can go directly to the federal intermediate appeal court and, if necessary and still appropriate thereafter, SCOTUS as the final arbiter.

Orderly rules about progression through "the system" like this apply 98.2% of the time.

rfenst wrote:



An explanation of this can be found here:

https://www.scotusblog.com/2018/12/power-versus-discretion-extraordinary-relief-and-the-supreme-court/ 

Nothing precludes the SCOTUS from exercising “original jurisdiction” which requires but one individual justice to issue a “writ of certiorari”. It’s not done normally but it can and has been done for issues it deems extraordinary. Due to the nature of the case a needing to settle this before the November elections I would expect Trump to do so. If he does I suspect a writ will be issued and the case stayed pending a ruling by the entire SCOTUS.
rfenst
2 years ago

Got it
Thank you

JGRAZ wrote:


Of course!

Actually, that just sums up 20-30 hours of law school reading and about 5 hours total lecturing time in both Civil Procedure and Federal Jurisdiction clases.

It is purely procedural law based on both civil and appellate rules of procedure (standard codes), which politics do not affect in any way.
jeebling
2 years ago

The case must go forward within the New York legal system.

It next goes up from the trial court to an intermediate state appeal court. Thereafter, it will be appealed to New York's highest court.

Trump can't get this in to federal court unless there is a "federal issue" or "fundamental right" in play.

rfenst wrote:




Once again, thank you for helping me understand what is really happening. I appreciate it, rfenst.
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