Abrignac
a year ago

Have you heard her speak? I would say at worst he’s insulted rocks.

ZRX1200 wrote:



And yet in the latest poll conducted after Biden dropped out she and Trump are tied.

Pretty sad when you think about. We are supposed to live in the greatest nation on the planet yet this is what get in terms of the only two candidates who have a shot at winning the election.

Trump was all but guaranteed a win against Biden due to the fact that he is in obvious mental decline. Substitute someone else and a few days later it’s a tie game. Imagine where the polls would be if the Democrats had a more centrist candidate. That person would be beating Trump like a drum in the polls.
HockeyDad
a year ago
Kamala Harris is not dumb. She is actually quite shrewd.

The problem she has is that her rise to fame is DA of San Francisco, California attorney general, California senator, to VP. Until she ran for president, she was in the blue supermajority state of California for all her rise and was never actually challenged on her ideas or plans. She only got challenged when she decided to run for president and didn’t look very good at defending her ideas. That has only continued as VP.

She is the only person to be running for President as a D or R nominee to have never won a single primary delegate. She found a way to hot wire the entire election process. Dumb? No.
drglnc
a year ago
Former President Trump at a Friday event hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action urged Christians to vote, saying they wouldn’t have to do it again if they got out there in November and elected him because “everything” would be “fixed.”

“Christians, get out and vote, just this time,” “You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians” he added.

“I love you Christians. I’m a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote,” Trump said.
RayR
a year ago

Kamala Harris is not dumb. She is actually quite shrewd.

The problem she has is that her rise to fame is DA of San Francisco, California attorney general, California senator, to VP. Until she ran for president, she was in the blue supermajority state of California for all her rise and was never actually challenged on her ideas or plans. She only got challenged when she decided to run for president and didn’t look very good at defending her ideas. That has only continued as VP.

She is the only person to be running for President as a D or R nominee to have never won a single primary delegate. She found a way to hot wire the entire election process. Dumb? No.

HockeyDad wrote:



Kamala is just following how things work in single-party authoritarian regimes.
But I don't think she is smart enough to hot-wire anything. That's up to the puppet masters.
Brewha
a year ago

Former President Trump at a Friday event hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action urged Christians to vote, saying they wouldn’t have to do it again if they got out there in November and elected him because “everything” would be “fixed.”

“Christians, get out and vote, just this time,” “You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians” he added.

“I love you Christians. I’m a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote,” Trump said.

drglnc wrote:


If he gets back in, he will never leave office.
He tried to stay last time.

And we all know that Trump will claim to have won the election regardless of the outcome.
jeebling
a year ago

Former President Trump at a Friday event hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action urged Christians to vote, saying they wouldn’t have to do it again if they got out there in November and elected him because “everything” would be “fixed.”

“Christians, get out and vote, just this time,” “You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians” he added.

“I love you Christians. I’m a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote,” Trump said.

drglnc wrote:



I didn’t hear this but I will look for it on YouTube.

I think this is a terrible thing to say. I think it is insulting and ignorant. I think this is a perfect example of speech that is indefensible and embarrassing to me as a Christian. I don’t agree with what Trump is saying here.
jeebling
a year ago

If he gets back in, he will never leave office.
He tried to stay last time.

And we all know that Trump will claim to have won the election regardless of the outcome.

Brewha wrote:



I agree Trump will probably claim a win regardless of outcome. I disagree that he will never leave office if elected. This is another point of disagreement we have regarding Trump. I’m not trying to say you are wrong but rather I have a different opinion.
jeebling
a year ago

Former President Trump at a Friday event hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action urged Christians to vote, saying they wouldn’t have to do it again if they got out there in November and elected him because “everything” would be “fixed.”

“Christians, get out and vote, just this time,” “You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what, it will be fixed, it will be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians” he added.

“I love you Christians. I’m a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again, we’ll have it fixed so good you’re not going to have to vote,” Trump said.

drglnc wrote:




Here is the link if anyone is interested. It is over an hour in length.

?si=7wPVoLnoTRCB2Mej

EDIT: my bad, it is 58 minutes long
Brewha
a year ago

I agree Trump will probably claim a win regardless of outcome. I disagree that he will never leave office if elected. This is another point of disagreement we have regarding Trump. I’m not trying to say you are wrong but rather I have a different opinion.

jeebling wrote:


Yes sir, and it is just that - my opinion. It’s not like I have a crystal ball or anything.

I just don’t trust him.
BuckyB93
a year ago
One thing that should be disturbing is that Harris has been appointed by the Dems to represent them as the President candidate. The US citizens (you know, the voters) have not been given the choice to vote for her or not vote for her to be on the ticket. The Democrats have essentially taken away the right to vote for who they/you/we want as the candidate to represent them for President.

If you are a die hard Democrat, that should stroke you wrong - not given the choice on who represents the party in the government but only given the choice of the candidate that they appoint.

I'm not tied to either of the 2 major parties. I've voted for Repubs, Dems, Independents, and so on. I vote for the person and what they stand for. People that share my same ideas and values. I don't vote for the shirt they wear.
Abrignac
a year ago

One thing that should be disturbing is that Harris has been appointed by the Dems to represent them as the President candidate. The US citizens (you know, the voters) have not been given the choice to vote for her or not vote for her to be on the ticket. The Democrats have essentially taken away the right to vote for who they/you/we want as the candidate to represent them for President.

If you are a die hard Democrat, that should stroke you wrong - not given the choice on who represents the party in the government but only given the choice of the candidate that they appoint.

I'm not tied to either of the 2 major parties. I've voted for Repubs, Dems, Independents, and so on. I vote for the person and what they stand for. People that share my same ideas and values. I don't vote for the shirt they wear.

BuckyB93 wrote:



Would it have been any different if instead of Biden discontinuing his campaign he simply died that day? Wouldn’t the end result have been the same?
RayR
a year ago

Would it have been any different if instead of Biden discontinuing his campaign he simply died that day? Wouldn’t the end result have been the same?

Abrignac wrote:



I don't think that's Bucky's point.
The point is that for a party that is always harping about "saving duhmacracy", "defending duhmacracy" and "threats to duhmacracy", they are so unduhmacractic by just anointing Kamala as their candidate.
8trackdisco
a year ago

Would it have been any different if instead of Biden discontinuing his campaign he simply died that day? Wouldn’t the end result have been the same?

Abrignac wrote:



It isn’t any different than if Biden died. But he didn’t.
I’m with Bucky. It should be worked out at the convention.
The Dems are loving it because this is likely the high water mark for her popularity.
The Money people want a predetermined, manageable convention. They don’t get that if the true democracy happens in real time.

She’s getting all the love.
Made a good speech on the Israel situation. Two state solution does make sense with many people- devil in the details.

Back onto what Trump Said this time around. It will result in a few deep paper cuts. It will probably push some undecideds into the Harris column.

A couple thousand votes her and there. They add up.
Abrignac
a year ago

It isn’t any different than if Biden died. But he didn’t.
I’m with Bucky. It should be worked out at the convention.

In a perfect world that is what would have happened. But, a perfect world? Where does that place exist? Instead reality and momentum are the rulers of the universe.

When Biden dropped out Harris inherited a $91M war chest No other candidate has access to those funds. They were given specifically to a campaign which Harris is a party to the charter. So the writing was already on the tea leaves. She was far out in front in terms of fund raising than any other Democrat. Then within 24 hours of Biden's announcement she pulled another $50+ million into her campaign fund. With such a huge lead it is only natural that she gets the nod.


The Dems are loving it because this is likely the high water mark for her popularity.
The Money people want a predetermined, manageable convention. They don’t get that if the true democracy happens in real time.

She’s getting all the love.
Made a good speech on the Israel situation. Two state solution does make sense with many people- devil in the details.

Back onto what Trump Said this time around. It will result in a few deep paper cuts. It will probably push some undecideds into the Harris column.

A couple thousand votes her and there. They add up.

Absolutely

8trackdisco wrote:


8trackdisco
a year ago

Abrignac wrote:



Yeah, knew about the money.

Although the window is small, and closing quickly, what if …. She does or says some things that sinks her in the polls prior to the convention?

Do the press the Do Over button again? What conceivable excuse would they whip up?
jeebling
a year ago
As VP she is the successor to a dead President. That is understood and makes all the difference.
DrMaddVibe
a year ago

As VP she is the successor to a dead President. That is understood and makes all the difference.

jeebling wrote:




Problem she has to reconcile is that she KNEW the guy was below room temperature in the membrane and has been for 10 years before he ever MET HER! She said NOTHING!!!! Actually, that's not true. She did say a lot about her boss.

"Vice President Harris will not say whether she is confident President Biden is currently capable of serving as commander in chief amid calls by lawmakers to invoke the 25th Amendment."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-doesnt-answer-whether-biden-is-fit-for-office/ar-BB1qsL1r 



"Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday slammed the special counsel report questioning President Biden's memory, and praised how "on top of it all" he was in responding to the Israel-Hamas war."
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/09/kamala-harris-biden-special-counsel-report 


"One thing we found since 2020 is that the vice president's approval rating and favorability is in lockstep with the president. She's tethered to him — for better or for worse," he said.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/1241063637/why-vice-president-harris-is-seen-as-critical-to-bidens-reelection-campaign 


“I see Joe Biden when the cameras are on and when the cameras are off,” Harris said. “I in the Oval Office negotiating bipartisan deals. I see him in the Situation Room keeping our country safe. On the world stage, meeting with world leaders who often ask for his advice.”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/06/28/nation/presidential-debate-harris-biden-slow-start/ 


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/11/09/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-celebrates-historic-progress-in-rebuilding-america-ahead-of-two-year-anniversary-of-bipartisan-infrastructure-law/ [/i][/color]


What a joke! Build Back Better is a total $hitshow. Stop pretending its not. Substituting Harris that was selected not picked by the nation is an affront to any election we've ever had! Can you for a second imagine the outrage and the media coverage if this was being done under the Republican umbrella?

Anyone that voted for the guy was stripped of that vote. Did you cast your vote for her? No. You casted it for him. Now, because the media can't hide the fact this brain dead stumbling fumbling starring into the Great Unknown decrepit bag of bones is gone. Never coming back...gone. Out there. Kinda like Voyager gone. Never gonna see it...again...and the Left is okay with the presto bango change at the top of their party without any constituents messing it up for them. Why question what's going on? It's okay! Look at who we have now! Foisted upon the Left and they have to eat it. Nobody is complaining. They're cool with all of this. It s theirs. They want it. Problem really hits that the legality of it all. The sham that's been pulled on them, they don't care. I don't think America is down with everything Harris is and in the days to come they're ripping sites offline. Scrubbing her. Washing her. Making her something she will never be...a competent leader. She's as feckless as Joe. That's really why he picked her. The same reason why Obama picked him. That's the big middle finger to America and to the World. While the Left cheers her on. It's like the buffoons that cheer on "Leah" Thompson. Look, we all know you're a dude. Thanks to the miracle of duct tape you get to pretend you're a girl...but you're not. Well...America, Harris isn't a thinker. She's as brain dead as Biden and you're ushering in a lower value candidate because she has a "D" behind her last name.
Abrignac
a year ago

Yeah, knew about the money.

Although the window is small, and closing quickly, what if …. She does or says some things that sinks her in the polls prior to the convention?

Do the press the Do Over button again? What conceivable excuse would they whip up?

8trackdisco wrote:



We can what if the shit out of this.

There is always the possibility that she tanks. What will/can the Democrats do if that happens? That's a good question. But as you said that window is closing fast.

Generally, in order for one to get on the ballot they have to be nominated by one of the 3 or 4 parties that have a spot reserved on the ballot or they have to qualify individually in each state usually by submitting a petition with a number of signatures of registered voters.

If for some reason she doesn't get the nomination, then she has an extremely tight window to get those petitions turned into enough states to win. So, she'd need to at a minimum need all the traditional blue states as well as the swing states then run the table. That one huge if

I believe there are many flaws in the way we elect Presidents. One of them being the binary primary system. But for that we might actually have a few possible candidates that are of substance.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with what we have, for better or worse, till death do us part.
drglnc
a year ago

I didn’t hear this but I will look for it on YouTube.

I think this is a terrible thing to say. I think it is insulting and ignorant. I think this is a perfect example of speech that is indefensible and embarrassing to me as a Christian. I don’t agree with what Trump is saying here.

jeebling wrote:



I’m just waiting for the “they took him out of context” bs… he has hinted before, tried to over throw an election and is now out right saying what he intends to do should he be elected… this one speech should be enough to ensure he never wins an election but… he will still be a contender.
Abrignac
a year ago
I'm amused by the incessant groveling by Trumpy's that because Biden decided to bow out and Harris may become the nominee that the people who voted for delegates to the convention have somehow been robbed. I would think they would be happy. I mean these are the same people who have been complaining all along that Biden wasn't fit for office. Shouldn't they be glad he came to the same conclusion?

That's the dice roll someone makes when the vote. Had he died the same day would all these Trumpy's still be crying alligator tears for the Democrats that voted the way they did? The result would be the same.

Where does it say that a candidate can't withdraw from a race? Is Biden required to run for office just because he was the presumed nominee? Is there some rule or binding secret handshake that requires him to stay in the election?

Do the Trumpy's suggest the Democrats have a new primary season between now and the convention? I'm sure that's not even possible.

I think the groveling is based not on the idea that voters were robbed, but the Trumpy's felt like Trump was a slam dunk against Biden. Now that he's tapped out they are scared shitless that their anointed one may lose.
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