rugrunner
Friday, November 11, 2005 4:44:00 PM
All we really know is they found no large amounts of WMDs. Sadam went to a lot of trouble keeping things from the inspectors. He also moved a lot of trucks to Syria right before the war, and went to a lot of trouble to hide that as well.

At this point the left has whipped this up to the level of the Kennedy Assassination. If someone came out with proof of who did that, it still wouldn't end the debate. If we found Sadam's stash tomorrow, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Maven, and tey would swear that Halliburton planted them there on Carl Rove's orders.

The same thing is happening with the plame/wilson thing. She sent her husband (who was against the war before and after) to find proof we should start a war.

He came back, gave a verbal report that backed up the yellowcake theory slightly, then printed a different story in the NY times. Then he starts saying the VP sent him. The VP’s assistant "leaks" the truth, that his analyst wife sent him.

Why are the Wilsons under investigation? Because the left has set the issue in stone, and it's too late for the truth. It would be called an attack if it happened, while the dems’ investigation is an important search for truth. The media is more then happy to go along.

Harry Ried, John Kerry, Both Clintons, Al Gore etc all came to the same conclusion, but it's Bush that is the only liar.

Their excuse is that they are bad at their jobs, didn't understand, and are not very smart.

usahog
Friday, November 11, 2005 4:53:00 PM
"My initial reaction to the intelligence vs. open debate is that, sure, those c*cks*ckers lied; you'd need to be brain dead"

(This Patriot Action Alert concerns the TRUTH about Iraq's WMD. Please forward this message to your list!)

On the heels of the "White House -- CIA leak" investigation, which concluded that no laws were broken (but charged one administration staffer with perjury), liberals are attempting to parlay that non-starter into a much bigger political brawl. Their charges have no substance, and are completely contrived to keep Republicans off balance through next year's midterm elections.

Sens. Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and ****** Durbin have accused President George Bush of lying about Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction, insisting he "lied us into war." They are even floating the suggestion that he be impeached.

Here are their accusations:

"The Bush administration misrepresented and distorted the intelligence to justify a war that America should never have fought." --Ted Kennedy

"We all know the Vice President's office was the nerve center of an operation designed to sell the war and discredit those who challenged it. ... The manipulation of intelligence to sell the war in Iraq...the Vice President is behind that." --Harry Reid

"I seconded the motion Sen. Harry Reid made last week. Republicans in Congress have refused, despite repeated promises, to investigate the Bush administration's misuse of pre-war intelligence, so Senate Democrats are standing up and demanding the truth." -- ****** Durbin, who recently compared U.S. troops to the Nazis and Pol Pot.

Naturally, the Democrat's media lemmings are reporting these charges as de facto truth, but there is considerable evidence that these Demo-gogues and their colleagues believed Iraq had WMD long before President George Bush came to Washington. Here is a small sample of that evidence from the Clinton years:

Bill Clinton: "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State: "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Advisor and Classified Document Thief: "[Saddam will] use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has ten times since 1983."

Harry Reid: "The problem is not nuclear testing; it is nuclear weapons. ... The number of Third World countries with nuclear capabilities seems to grow daily. Saddam Hussein's near success with developing a nuclear weapon should be an eye-opener for us all."

****** Durbin: "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that...Iraq...may acquire or develop nuclear weapons."

John Kerry: "If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."

John Edwards: "Serving on the Intelligence Committee and seeing day after day, week after week, briefings on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and his plans on using those weapons, he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons, it's just that simple. The whole world changes if Saddam ever has nuclear weapons."

Nancy Pelosi: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons-inspection process."

Sens. Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry in a letter to Bill Clinton: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

After President Bush was sworn into office in 2001, his administration was handed eight years worth of intelligence analysis and policy positions from the Clinton years -- you know, the years of appeasement when Saddam was tolerated, when opportunities to take out Osama bin Ladin were ignored, as was the presence of an al-Qa'ida terrorist cell in the U.S. -- which reared its head on 9/11.

In the weeks prior to the invasion of Iraq, Democrats, who had access to the same intelligence used by the Bush administration (much of which was compiled under the Clinton administration), were clear about the threat of Iraq's WMD capability.

Ted Kennedy: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

John Kerry: "I will be voting to give the president of the U.S. the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security. ... Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein."

Hillary Clinton: "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile-delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including al-Qa'ida members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Carl Levin: "We begin with a common belief that Saddam Hussein...is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."

Al Gore: "We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

Bob Graham: "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has and has had for a number of years a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

For the record: Here's a partial list of what didn't make it out of Iraq before the OIF invasion: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium, 1,700 gallons of chemical-weapon agents, chemical warheads containing the nerve agent cyclosarin, radioactive materials in powdered form designed for dispersal over population centers, artillery projectiles loaded with binary chemical agents, etc. Assuming Irag had no WMD because only small caches were recovered after Operation Iraqi Freedom began is perilously flawed logic. That, in no way, affirms what he spirited out through Iran and Syria before OIF.

So, ask Ted, ****** and Harry, what is their real agenda?

One might fairly conclude that they are willing to reduce U.S. national security to political fodder by accusing the President of the United States of "lying." Problem is, the President had no political motive for Operation Iraqi Freedom -- only a legitimate desire to fulfill the highest obligation of his office -- to defend our liberty against all threats.

Ted, ****** and Harry, on the other hand, have plenty of political motivation for their most recent antics -- and all of America should look upon these disgraceful Demo-gogues, and anyone who supports this dangerous folly, as traitorous louts.

On Veterans Day, President Bush noted: "Today our nation pays tribute to our veterans -- 25 million vets.... At this hour, a new generation of Americans is defending our flag and our freedom in the first war of this century. This war came to our shores on the morning of September 11, 2001. ... We know that they want to strike again and our nation has made a clear choice. We will confront this mortal danger to all humanity. We will not tire or rest until the War on Terror is won. ... [I]t is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began. ... We will never back down. We will never give in. We will never accept anything less than complete victory."

"Deeply irresponsible"? He is too kind.

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Which c*cks*ckers lied??? Many of the above were on the Intellegence commity and still are??

Hog

Dr Pepperhill
Friday, November 11, 2005 5:00:00 PM
Well then they weren't very intelligent. I contend that they are, and their mistakes, that now face the full light of day, weren't mistakes at all, but calculated.
Dr Pepperhill
Friday, November 11, 2005 5:10:00 PM
One of the obstacles for rational discussion on this and many issues are the absolute ideas of "lying" and "honesty." Do officials sometimes legitimately lie to forward their notion of the national agenda? Of course they do, let's not be naive. The real question is right lying or wrong lying, which gets very textured. If lying about going into Iraq gets us military bases there, maybe its a good thing. What the hell do I know, I'm in real estate.
Buckwheat
Friday, November 11, 2005 5:15:00 PM
I thought that the buck stopped with the pres. I guess not.

rugrunner
Friday, November 11, 2005 6:14:00 PM
It does buckwheat, that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It defiantly doesn't mean everything the left wing throws at him is true either.

This president, unlike his predecessor, takes the blame for everything. Even things he shouldn't (Katrina in N.O.). But i guess he gets no credit for that, and only politicians with an R after their name should be held accountable.

rugrunner
Friday, November 11, 2005 6:15:00 PM
Dr. P, nice posts, interesting take. Thanks.
Buckwheat
Friday, November 11, 2005 6:19:00 PM
If Bush takes blame for things that he shouldn't he is an idiot.
8trackdisco
Friday, November 11, 2005 6:53:00 PM
Guess my one point is with a 44 Billion dollars of intel vs. Saddam, I'd think we would be able to outsmart him.

Guess I was wrong.

usahog
Friday, November 11, 2005 8:53:00 PM
8track,

I'll give you an answer in the morning (meatloaf)

Right now I'm enjoying a couple of Cubans.. and No not like Adroomi would ;0)~~~

Ben there done that LMAO!

Hog

jackconrad
Friday, November 11, 2005 9:08:00 PM
Thank God for once we have a President who is more concerned about doing the right thing than he is about winning popularity contest!
usahog
Friday, November 11, 2005 9:21:00 PM
**** well said Jack!

I salute you!

Hog

Drathaar
Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:44:00 AM
8trackdisco, read "See No Evil: The True Story of a Ground Soldier in the CIA's War on Terrorism" by Robert Baer. He was CIA and tells how Clinton gutted the agency. He tells us we didn't even have agents in Iraq because Clinton pulled out all the officers. He was one of them.

Its a very good read.

usahog
Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:08:00 AM
Drathaar,

Now your gettin sensible to everything I've been complaining about for years on this forum...

people cannot understand this from what they've been fed... funny thing is Rickamaven has been basically saying the same thing...

Hog