RICKAMAVEN
25 years ago
mr tailgater: "there you go again" i told you i am not a democrat, and i don't blather. how much more are you going to give away to charity? how much more are you going to invest? you must have some big plans for the few dollars you might get in tax refunds. you don't remember when soc sec tax was on the first $25,000 you made. they used to raise the percent one year, and raise the amount taxed the following year, just to confuse people. if you gross $50,000, you are paying about $%3,500 a year in soc security tax, and your employer is paying the same. that's $140,00 principle in 20 years. it ought to be worth more than $250,000 at the end of 20 years. you will get back, maybe $11,000 a year starting when you are probably 80 when your turn comes. box cars, you lose. do you know congress and the senate do not have to contribute to this fund? this is where real tax relief is. forget the 2% that the accidental president talked about allowing you to invest on your own during the "debates"
what will you invest in at $70. a year.
"He is woefully inept. Look at his campaigns to get elected" you must be joking. he got elected twice with all the bad press he got because of his women chasing, which, of course, he deserved. but if he could run again, he would be elected again. i don't think i would by a used car from clinton either, but my business has done well, in spite of or because of him. what he did do was give the country a sense of a future. jfk didn't do much, but we expected things to go well and we had a pride in our country and it's direction. that's why the economy flourishes, great expectations. the youngster is in office a few months, and the market drops. the country is expecting the worst. but he did bomb baghdad, at least someone told him to. he doesn't know where baghdad is. let's talk again in a few years, i would like to eat my words with raw crow.
Charlie
25 years ago
He might not know where Baghdad is, but he did bomb it without an opinion poll!!!!! And that was a good point about Mr. Gore and smoking, even though he used to get a lot of money from the tobacco lobby!
jcrimmins
25 years ago
Gore supported the tobacco lobby until it was in his best interest to turn his back on them. He probably milked them for every dime he could get. Good thing that the Chinese came along to fund him!
tailgater
25 years ago
You denounce your democratic demons from deep within, but your tendencies are still fiscally liberal, Rick. Yes, hope for the future helps the economy. That hope, however, has more to do with how the liberal media portrays the politician, then what the politician actually stands for. It is a fact that the major networks are extremely biased towards the left. It is also fact that the GOP are portrayed as hate mongers. The feable minded public follow like the sheep that they are and believe that Ashcroft will bring back slavery or something heinous like that. Sorry, but the high tax of socialism is over! I don't want the government to give my money to lazy slobs. I don't want tax relief only for "non-profit" organizations like the Rainbow Coalition so they can pad the purse of Jesse's whores. The hypocritical liberals are a JOKE. Clinton just happened to be the punch line...
tailgater
25 years ago
Rick. I re-read your post. You scoff at the idea that Americans might possibly know better what to do with their own money than the government does. That, sir, makes you a democrat even if you don't like the candidates, for that is what they stand for: Higher taxation, bigger government, total control. Don't belittle the amount that an average citizen will save with the tax cuts. That is the "negative" way to view it. That would be like saying that giving $20 to a charity is a waste of time because it is so little. But if 1 million people gave 20 bucks...voila! Your way, we would give 20 million in taxes to Uncle Sam and that charity would only see $20,000. Why pay the government to control our lives? Learn me in your truths, Rick. What is the up-side to over taxation?
RICKAMAVEN
25 years ago
to all: great discussion's from everyone. no nasty remarks. no vularity except a few ***. no name calling. my eyes are open a little more and i hope we have all seen some different light. not necessary to win here, but to exchange ideas. now a drink, stoly and 7, boodles, and tonic, ashai beer. napolean 5 star, or in my case, a cappucciano and a very nice cigar from cliff l. my thanks. (soon to be trouble on the cigar board)
25 years ago
Nothing better than a good cigar after a "hard" day at the office. I've read all of the posts with much interest. I don't know what the big deal is with high taxes. It's not like people actully pay what they owe anyway, with all the loopholes and such. Stop crying and bleed the system like our leaders have prompted you to do. Live for the day, who knows when you'll be impeached or something...
BrentM01
25 years ago
I gotta go with Rick on this one folks. Busch is an idiot. I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when I saw him struggling through the debates I couldn't reach any other conclusion. I am neither a Democrat or a Republican but without Buschy's daddy, GW wouldn't be ANYWHERE. He can't think on his feet much less anywhere else. Am I to feel comfortable with a man leading our country who can't even speak the language?, I don't think so.This guy is told what to say with cue cards for heaven sake. I said this earlier in the year when we were right in the middle of all this crap and all you Republican's huddled together and gave everyone grief. BTW, Nixon was one of the BEST foreign policy leaders of our time. The only difference between him and any other politition is that he got caught, pure and simple. I also think it's kind of funny that we hadn't even heard anything about Iraq for the past 8 years and now all of a sudden that a Busch is back in office,they're a threat? Maybe his daddy is afraid he didn't finish his business over there? I have lots of friends in Texas who could do a hell of a better job in the White House than GWBuschy. Change the name of this Forum to the Republican Forum!!!
jcrimmins
25 years ago
I second Brent's motion to change the name of this forum to "The Republican Forum". All in favor, say ay!!
LOL
I think that GWB will do a great job. He has already surrounded himself with intelligent people. I guess he could have surrounded himself with yes-men (Janet Reno,etc.) and double agents (Chinese, etc.), like the past President.
tailgater
25 years ago
Brent, we don't ask that you become a Republican. It's OK to have differing opinions. But don't let the media guide your every thought and don't let the democrats run your life and spend your money. Dubya is not the polished speaker that his opponent was. So what? The mark of a great leader is to surround yourself with great people. People who have constructive input rather than simply going along with all the lies. Clinton is no doubt a great communicator. Had he put people in place to keep him in line he could have gone out with dignity. Now, however, this great country has lost worldwide respect. It's OK to dislike GW, but let him earn your ridicule. Stumbling on words is called human error, not stupidity. Let's put PRIDE back into this country of ours. We were built on SELF RESPECT, but we lost our way. Don't let the democratic machine take your money and make a socialist nation out of the good ol' USA. I know that sounds campy, but so what? Dubya wasn't my first choice, but I'm PROUD to say he's our leader. I haven't been able to say that for about 8 years now...
BrentM01
25 years ago
I too applaud his ability to surround himself with good people and I agree totally it is time for our country to band together as one. Do I feel as good as I did when I was younger and had a copy of the Constitution on my desk, a Presidential Physical Fitness award signed by President Kennedy and an American Flag on my wall. No, I don't, but I damm sure want to regain that feeling again. The patriotism I felt THEN doesn't compare to how I feel now but, I hold out hope as does everyone else that we can regain that feeling of liberty again. It will take all of us, regardless of bias, whether Democrat, Independent or Republican. When the screaming and yelling about liberalism dies down we might then take the time to take stock of ourselves and perhpas question our motives. Until then, I hold out great hope for us.....Brent
Charlie
25 years ago
Wow, some thread!!! We have been over this before and will again in the future; however, we will live with Clinton and his legacy for years to come, as they continue to uncover "hints" of foulplay. Funny, Nixon was disgraced for what would have been nothing more than a press conference Q & A today! How times changed. Nixon was the best foreign policy President of our times and he was forced out of office for less than what Al Gore (remember him) did as Vice President.
I think that GWB will continue to work both sides of the aisle and move us in a positive direction-a refreshing change from the last 8 years of Billy Boy.
usahog
25 years ago
Dignity, I See allot of Dignity here from all side's...
I miss spell words and I also Type alot of Every other Word with a Cap.. does this make me an Idiot.. I think Not!!! Rick I want to appologize for that previous post as narrow mindedness... you have some good Issues as does everyone on this post.. Brent you do also.. and Jack and JJ.. but slowing down and rereading the whole thing in General I see allot of Common Folks discussing what they would like the future to hold and hoping that the man in power now can do this for the country who has had egg on its face the past 8 yrs.. everyone here has agreed about that... and Dignity is coming out in rare form... Brent dont put your Flag Away or your constitution off your desk.. those are what made this country and that is exactly what is going to bring it back to uniformity... It's Time Gentlemen to Hold your head up and be Proud you are an American again... our founding father's would want it no other way!!! Great Post's All...
Laterzzzzzzzzz
Hog
usahog
25 years ago
Sorry Gater & Char53 Didnt mean to leave you guy's out in anyway to that previous post... Hog
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