OK here's the deal I work in a max security prison, and the one thing you never do is snitch. With that being said, I have on several occassions attempted to initiate a hit on certain individuals only to find out, they mysteriously are informed before launch. Because of those with loose lips, I have refrained from sending said packages. Lincoln1 has also been plagued with similar occurences. Where is the incentive for Noobs to gather Intel and strike against those targets with with they want to hit. Admittedly there is none, in fact, such action only acts as a deterent. I'm sure, due to this post, I will suffer a multitude of criticism. Of course, lets look at the last several OpNSB's, certainly they have lacked the involvement from the past. WHY!!!!!. It is my contention that us Noobs have no stomach for being exposed before the packages arrive. I'm sure there is a great amount of enjoyment amonst the Vets and FOGS in exposing the NOOBS plans, but at the same time doesn't such revelation also detract from the overall fun associated with throwin someone under the bus. Perhaps I'm being dense, cathartic and presumptuous but where is the incentive to assimilate or rather be exposed to the tactics and nuances of the elders when every action or attempt is undermined at the expense of the Noob. How often can you tease/undermine the Noobs attempt at assimilation before he/she says, "the hell with it." Again, I am prepared for the otracization that will follow this post, but I can no longer remain silent.

I once lived in a max security prison and I must say a cigar board is a totally different world.

Snitch you say, I think not. Info can be gathered the easy way, by asking, or the hard way, doing your homework. To label someone a snitch in the forums is going a little overboard.

The vets do stick together for the most part, not to the extreme of hurting someones feelings or ruining someones plans.

For a short time the vets and the noobs were on different sides of the fence, due to OPNSB. But it was all in fun. No harm intended.

Lesson learned, if you want to keep a secret don`t tell anyone and do your homework. All info can be found in the post`s if ya look hard enough.

Damn, that's the most I said at once in a long time. I had to set my drink down just to post... LOL

WT.

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2. Author: wtjvj Date: 10/08/2007 08:31 PM

Damn, that's the most I said at once in a long time. I had to set my drink down just to post... LOL

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Well Mike, now lookit what you've done!!!

I can see where you're coming from, it sucks to be part of a NSB or something only to find out the target knew ahead of time. However, I doubt that there's too many people around here maliciously giving up the target info. /shrug

My suspicion is that most folks who are the targets know about it ahead of time. Hell, when I was ROX's HOTW, part of me knew the day he sent out his initial email.

So, hit 'em anyways.

Upset only occurs against a background of expectation. There ought to be very few expectations on the boards. We are all in this for love of our shared hobby (obsession for some)

{wipes tear from his eye}

I'm proud of ya, wt! I'm glad my verbosity has rubbed off!

WT

Of course you are correct in sayin labeling someone a snitch is going overboard, only if you fully realize the meaning of the term. Allow me to apologize for such harsh terminology, most certainly i could have chosen a better term. Please allow me this indulgence. I fully understand their are no hard feelings involved in this discourse; however, feelings put aside, I must defer to my original argument that.................fug it, this is pointless, aufweidersehn.

Don`t let it git ya down, everyone on the trades board is trying to have fun.

We are not here to intentionally hurt anyone's feelings.

Don`t let advanced warning to whoever stop your package.. people always like to recieve packages. 🙂

Just remember how you feel when you recieve a package rather you know its coming or not, its still feels good.

WT.

good point WT

If I didn`t like ya I wouldn`t have givin my oppinion, I would have read your post and moved on.

WT.

I guess I figure that most of the time my target will figure it out. That is why I post clues when I send out most hits. Part of the fun is everyone guessing who is getting hit. But, even if that brother or sister finds out in advance, they never know for sure what is in the package. So there is still an element of surprise. If someone knows before I send something that I am sending it, I try to be that much more creative in assembling the package to try and surprise them. More challenging and fun in some ways.

And, once someone opens up the first salvo package in a mass bombing, they know what is up, just not how much or who all is joining in.

Michael, I really respect you, and I hope that you are just having a bad day, and aren't so angry that you leave. You make a valuable contribution here. Take a deep breath and remember that you come here for fun, comraderie & relaxation. Don't let little stuff spoil that for you.

Jules

Hey, is this the long-awaited Harry Potter thread?

(just remember, you loves me!)

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7. Author: wtjvj Date: 10/08/2007 08:45 PM Reply

Don`t let advanced warning to whoever stop your package.. people always like to recieve packages. 🙂

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If that isn't the truth, I don't know what is.

Mike, you should feel honored, I've never seen WT type as much as he has in this thread before, for anyone.

WT

I'm not offended by what ya said, having been where you've been I'm sure you can relate. No offense taken. In fact I appreciate the dialog; however, I feel very strongly about this, for some reason this chiat sticks under my craw. I have been silent for some time, of course for me only its superfluous, but for those taking time away from their families and lives to promulgate this forum, it must be a disappointment to attempt to organize only to be thwarted time and time again at the pleasure of those who benefit from seniority.

Already, I have several BOTLS IM'in me saying WTF, why are you doing this. I understand my actions here on this nite will make me anathema and open the doors for ostracization; but, at some point a stand must be taken, and at all costs I'm doing just that.

^^^

Dude, bomb the bassard anyway.

Who the frack is going to argue with a box of ______ ____ _'s?

Especially when they like that cigar?

Hell, a trade I know is coming and that I've been tracking feels good when it shows up.

Personally, I don't go looking for info other than general likes/dislikes. Example, if hitting WT, and I know he is an A Fuente ho; why try to hit him with a couple cigars he likely has boxes of? I'd like to find something that follows the flavor profile, and expand his horizons. If I don't get gifted a CAO America, I will likely go get one myself. But would I have found out I like Mayorgas if I didn't get one from JPotts, or an Independencia if not for C3S? Those gifts go alot further, cause I remember who turned me onto them for every cigar I smoke from the ensueing purchased boxes. I hope to return the favor and bring a new fave to someone else. To me, thats what this is about. Not knocking someones socks off, or impressing the gallery; but sharing and contributing. And in your time here, Mike, I think you have done that.

Just my two cents.

lou

you wrote,

attempt to organize only to be thwarted time and time again at the pleasure of those who benefit from seniority.

Interesting statement. Wouldn`t it be fair to say these people were noobs at one time and had to learn from the vets and by there mistakes and to deal with frustrations just like everyone else.

If something is not perfect and you don`t like it, try to learn by it and find a way around it. Thats part of the fun of the game. Maybe its not a game to some, but if you looked at it as a game and tried to find moves that work instead of getting hung up on the ones that don`t

You said you worked in a prison. The inmates are always looking for ways to get over on the guards, the guards are always looking to stay a step ahead of the inmates....

This problem should be an easy game for you. 🙂

WT.

WT

It is but it still pisses me off, I would like to trust when im outside the gates

What was that old army sitcom on TV back in the late 60`s ???? remember they were in a pow camp in Germany?

What was the guards name? Klink ? He would always say in that German accent... I trust no one... LOL

WT.

Mike, look at it like this.... the noobs are men. men who try to act tough, intelligent, deviant. Behind every intelligent man you'll find an intelligent woman. In this case, the women are the vets...the chatty cathys if you will. Sure they're good for giving us the necessary info to carry out our devious plans, but they can't keep a secret if their lives depended on it. Of course in the case of a SOTL, I guess this could be taken a bit too literal, so we'll exclude the SOTLs from this genius parable.

Whether the vets tell our targets ahead of time or not, oftentimes it's the hit itself that speaks volumes. Take the good ole "shock and awe" campaign in Iraq. Saddam and his boyZ knew they were about to get hit, they just didn't know how hard they were about to get hit. That's where it's up to us noobs to layeth the smacketh down, let these fooos know that we aren't here to play games. Like Jordan driving to the hoop or Johan Santana throwing you a change-up, you know it's coming but, guess what, it really doesn't matter, they'll beat you any way.

#15

thanks