i've read all youse guy's (brooklyn, ny, born and bred) posts and appreciate your sharing your

thoughts. i have listened to as many talking heads and read everythiing i could get my mouse on,

to try to form an opinion that was logical and could stand the light of day.

what do we know?

kobe is a great basketball player and might be one of the best ever, might be.

he took some time to understand that phil jackson is the man and when he learned that, three rings appeared.

he has been accussed of rape, the PC word for breaking his marriage vows and not only screwing around on his wife, but with a woman who did not want him to have sex with her.

we know these millionaire sports heros, particularly, for some reason, basketball players more then most, are subjected to temptations that most of us couldn't even imagine. i was under the impression that the test of a man was his ability to look temptation in the eye, and walk away.

he apologized to his wife.by spending 4 million dollars for a piece of coal, that nature kindly mixed

with other minerals and compressed for a long, long time, and turned it into a really hard piece of glass that is purple, and sparkles in the light, when he could have used the 4 million as seed money to establish a "vanessa bryant wing" at a hospital to treat one or more specific problems facing women, but she is 19 or 20 and he is mid 20's, so a diamond probably seemed like a good idea.

kobe's parents did not attend his wedding and have moved back east..

what do we think we know?

kobe and his parents don't talk to each other much, if at all. i have no grandcildren, but the thought of not talking to my sons on a regular basis, is beyond comprehension.

the police rushed to arrest him before they discussed the accusation and the proof with the DA.

the girl might have tried to commit suicide once or twice and gloria alread, the jesse jackson of women's causes, claims that if she did it has nothing to do with whether he raped her or not..gloria did not mention that it might explain why she accused him.

he might be innocent.

why do we care?

if you are not a laker fan, you probably don't give a rat's ass about kobe and his problem except how it will affect your own teams chances this season.

if you are a laker fan, you care about whether or not it will interfere with another championship is coming this season

Charles Barkley perhaps said it best, " I am not a role model."

I thought he said..."I like to roll with models"...I dunno, maybe it was my bad ear.

Ric, your points are valid. I'm content to see it unfold in a courtroom. I heard that there were some torn clothes, and that's not too good for Kobe.

yeah, torn cloths, bruising, screams heard by other hotel guests... Of course the apologists will say "oh, they were just playing rough..." or you don't know what your talking about, or the best and in my opinion stupidest, "he could have whoever he wanted, why would he rape someone?" As I said before, rape is a crime of violence, not an act of sex. Lot's of men rape who are otherwise capable of having unforced sex with women. This guy puts his pants on the same way they do. That's not to say he is guilty until we hear all of the facts, but to simply say, oh he's rich and could have whoever he wants and use that as some sort of argument that there's no way he could be guilty is absurd.

It will be on cable, Court TV and then we will learn what might have, maybe did, could have took place. LOL JonR

DrMaddVibe

maybe his...

No, they said her undergarments.

Robby, your soft breasts must be sore today huh?...hahaha!

Mag

I think he's guilty. Others think he's not. But we shouldn't think that he's either based on the fact that he's a pro basketball player. My point, a rapist is a rapist, whether they're a CEO or a grill chief at the Waffle House...

Doesn't Kobe watch TV? Didn't he see what happened to Mike Tyson? A difference is that Tyson doesn't seem like a nice young man to anyone. If I had that kind of public visibility, I would consider a coyly worded "Maybe we shouldn't" the legal equivalent of a loudly screamed "NO NO NO!" He could rent the best looking hooker in Vegas for chump change, and they don't go to the law, so why be so reckless?

My guess is 19 yr old strange. X

I can't judge by what we are hearing because we don't know what is true and what is false. Once all the evidence and points of view are revealed, we all can make a better judgement.

But let me pose this question. The jury will have to decide who to believe, Kobe or the girl. People say that she has tried to commit suicide and is crazy. So I ask, who do you trust more, a person who tried to commit suicide, or a person who commits adultery? Remember only person who was dishonest was the one who commited adultery.

choner

I dont know whether he is guilty or not, but I did hear that he wont be wearing the #8 on his jersey anymore. He will have to wear #4. Why??? 'cause his wife is gonna get half of everything.

bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaahhaha

I heard a local AM jock on the way home today say, the buzz is that it wasn't necessarily a vaginal rape... Are there sodomy laws in Colorado? 20 years + 1?

I don't think he could buy his number 8 with a Rolex... in prison. J

The Fixer

(The Pie/Marriott)

Baby, I'm a fixer

Catch me if you can

But you better watch your woman

'Cause I'm a backdoor man

Backdoor man

Baby, I'm a kickster

In your neighborhood

I'm a trickster

A low-down son of evil

I don't need no magic potion

To walk on black tar, boy

All I need's emotion

That leaves me a rollin' stone

Roll away, yeah

I tell you I'm a fixer

Catch me if you can

Keep your eyes on your woman

'Cause I'm a backdoor man

I'm a fixer, baby

I'm a fixer

I'm a fixer, babe

I'm a fixer. babe

I'm a kickster

But did the Glove Fit??? did he even get a chance to see if the Glove Fit??? again I say... No means NO!!!

and even if it would have been his Better Half and she had a headache... not that you would see that on the News maybe Jerry Springer or Morray Povich... No means No and it's how far a man wants to push the Issue is how much of a crime it can end up... Married or not...the chick has the last Say in it no matter what!!!

like Charlie Brown and Lucy... she can Get as many of those she wants with one of these!!!! but if she don't want one... Lyanis couldn't even trade his Blanket for it without going to Jail!!!

Guilty!!!!

Hog

Ask not for whom the Bellhop tolls Kobe... He tolls for the...

i have been reading all i can and have questions.

1. was it a three pointer?

2. was it a jump shot, or did he drive to the hoop.

3. did the girl bite off more then she could chew?

usahog

"the chick has the last Say"

think about this first.

what if she has given permition for 9 strokes and says no at the tenth?

what if she says no after 80% penetration?

what if you can't hear her because she is mumbling no and you think she's humming?

these questions are not in jest, unlsess that is her name. the pendulum may have swung too much.

the moving finger writes, and having writ moves on, nor all your piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel half a line