Okay, I believe this baby is an AF Chateau Fuente (that's what I was told), but the band has the black bottom instead of the green, its cedar wrapped with a black ribbon instead of the usual green.

So is this an AF Chateau in a sungrown wrapper?

Yes it is.

what ring size is it? how long is it?

Yes, it could be a chateau fuente, a double chateau fuente, a cuban belicoso, or a canones.

But it is sungrown.

Or even the ever elusive 858 SG in which case you scored well!

the 858 isn't in cedar.
The Double Chateau is. I can't remember about the others, I'll have to look in the coolerdor when I get home 🙂

The 858 SG is wrapped in cedar and also has a black foot.

Ikono post a pic. The 858 would have flor fina 858 on the cello.

All the ones listed here are excellent

I'm pretty sure its a Chateau Fuente, since the CF officially measures 4 1/2 x 50, and that fits the bill for the smoke I have.

I was just wondering if the black band and ribbon meant it was an SG.

Thanks for the responses, guys.