I know this will probably quickly be blown out of proportion, but hope to get a few good opinions before it gets pulled. I am young and havnt seen the development of these concepts in their entirety.

First.. How is it that the NAACP is not concidered racist? It is based on Race, and it made to advance African Americans.. Why is public opinion of this group so high??

Second.. Equal oppurtinity. How is this not Racism and Sexism in it self. I am white, I am male, and that makes it the hardest for me to get a job. When I applied to work for the CIA, they told me they were looking for more "Diverse" employes, and that "Non- Hispanic Whites" are not needed. While I was at NASA, there is a program designed to soly hire Hispanic. Most of the engineers there despised the program for the low qualifications needed to be brought in.

College Entrance.. My old roomate in (High School / College) is black. A great guy. We are good friends to this day.. He and I both have the same SAT's. (exactly). close the same GPA.. (He had me beat.. 3.75 vs 3.8.. but he didnt take adv hnrs chem.. anyway) We were close in pretty much everything when applying for college.. except I had an intership at NASA, and a few Publications in Chemistry.. should be a good advantage.. I applied to UT, GaTech, and a few others.. He applied to UT, Gatech, John Hopkins, and a few more.. I wasnt offered one scholarship anywhere I went, and wasnt accepted into UT.. (Lost paperwork).. but the point is, he was offered a Full Ride at GaTech, with options in a Masters, and a Large Scholarship at John Hopkins... I think it is great for him, but he shouldnt get it because he is black, and I shouldnt be turned down because I am White..

Anyway.. thats a few of my questions.. I figure there are some liberals here who might be able to give me a different perspective to this..

BTW, I am not racist.. I just would like to be how it should be.. equal.. All men are greated equal...

Oh yeah.. you white people out there... when you apply to UT.. there isnt a Caucasion box on there.. or even a White box.. you are now required to check "Non-Hispanic".. (At least when I applied in '01)

I would have put a line through " Non-Hispanic " and penciled in " European-American " and checked the block, but hey what do I know. JonR

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I take it you've already heard about the Banana sale at Palphs? LOL

The NAACP is not a racist group because it does NOT promote any of the following (which are promoted by racist groups):

superiority of one race to another

degradation of one racial group

segregation of one group from all others based on superiority

elimination of a racial group

violence toward a racial group

and so on.

Think of it this way: a black person at a KKK rally would probably be killed, certainly beaten severely. A white person at a NAACP meeting would be welcome (trust me, I've been to three).

Now, because of who I am here, people will pile on what I say and attack it. But what I've said is pretty innocuous and straightforward.

Buff: I believe any race-based preference is, by definition, racist. People should be judged soley on their performance and accomplishments. I have no problem with groups like the NAACP, race-based clubs on campus, gentlemen's clubs, ladie's nights, etc. but 'equal' opportunity and all related programs are cleaerly exclusionary and need to be kept out of education and especially out of the workplace.

It is necessary to sacrifice the innocents for the sins of the fathers. Lie still while we raise the axe.

LLT...that's funny!

That one tickled me...I'm still chuckling about that one!

Until morale improves the beatings will continue.

Sadly, it is getting worse!

Charlie

If you want to have an exclusive "club" that only caters to one particular sect...that's discrimination.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/eatingpixistix/76062.html?mode=reply 

I'm wondering John, because you like to be so fair, how many KKK meetings you've been to? You say they beat or kill, but have you been to one? I wanted to attend a Nation of Islam meeting when I lived in Detroit and was turned away. Why? Because I'm white I was told. I've read about them and know that they spread hate, but I wanted to hear Louis with my own ears.

Instead of supporting organizations that have exclusionary tactics behind them and promote their own, I surprised you don't have the ACLU ripping on them. It's your life and you're entitled to live in the way that you see fit, but don't make it seem like you don't see the reverse discrimination! You've got to see it in the classrooms.

BET

United Negro College Fund

Ebony

Miss Black America

NAACP

Are all racist to the core. If it's not then it's ok to have:

White Entertainment Network

White Anglo-Saxon College Fund

White

Miss White America

NAAWP

You know you'd be the first person to scream foul if ANY of those were to come to fruitation, and don't tiptoe around the fact that you would! We don't have Jim Crow laws anymore, Dr. MLK did his job and did it well. Racism is wrong and anyone that practices it lives in a small world, but to make people pay for slavery or injustices to a race of people with free loans, easier application tests and just show up because we'll be able to pick you out of a crowd and we need more of you to secure more government grants policies is doing a disservice to America. That's not my America.

When does it even out? What's the price? I heard a topic like this on talk radio, and I can't remember the gentleman's name that was speaking, but he was a black man, I think he teaches at Cornell, and he stated that he didn't want any payment from the USA for what happened to his great-great-great grandfather. That debt was paid off when he was born in the US and allowed to be what he wanted to be. He had visited Africa and knew firsthand the squalor that most people live in there. I only wish there were more people that thought like that instead of "what can I get for free" and "I'm owed this" mentality.

If you want to think that I'm some bigot for holding this point of view then I'm fine with it. I'll let you call me a bigot, if the above statement is being a bigot. America is a fair nation, and I can be anything I want. I only hope that my kids will be able to get more than a Pell Grant when it comes time for them to go to college because their dad is a successful white guy and can shell out the cash for an education.

I've never thought the NAACP to be a racist organization

Affirmative Action, on the other hand, is a horse of a whole 'nuther color ... no pun intended

There is NOTHING affirmative about it ... it is nothing more than prejudice in a fancy dress.

As a point of clear fact, it exacerbates the problem it was intended to help solve ... perceptive black leaders recognize the problem and are trying to help change things, but the resistance they encounter among other blacks is as daunting as any Jackie Robinson ever ran into.

Prejudice, irrespective of who is being pre-judged, is wrong ... and should not be tolerated in any guise

DMV, chill, man. The question was 'why is the NAACP not considered racist?,' and I answered simply and clearly. You've brought a million things up and wondered why I haven't addressed them. Give me a break. I still cannot understand why you flip out everytime I post, what I could possibly have done to you to provoke such vitriolic words everytime I post. Perhaps you are just trying to drive me off the bbs?

The KKK speaks through its actions and history. Please give me the NAACP's equivalent of cross-burning and lynching, not to mention the general theory of racial superiority.

Chill out? I'm as calm as the lake in my backyard!

Thanks for the rhetoric. Thier title alone should give away what they're about. National Association for the Advancement of Colored People that's a nice club. Shucks I can't join...I'm white...gee what club could I form at a national level to cater to white people only and make sure that we're looking out one another and securing a better future

http://www.naacp.org/  - I like their webpage too. Those mean old Republicans. Bad, bad Republicans. Lincoln was a Republican, and a white guy too...he saw to it that the Civil War was fought to a victory and guess what...he freed the slaves! A Republican Senate passed the Civil Rights bill of '64...bad Republicans...Selective memory for a sect that has to have their own club!

Would never compare NAACP to the KKK, not even same ball game, but they are supposed to be non partisan, ha ha! LMFAO.

Charlie

How about a political ad accusing GW Bush of dragging a black man to death behind a truck?

Yeah that was paid for by the NAACP...check out the links...that's why I put them there! You can still see the ad if you look for it, but I'm sure you read up on the topic here...http://www.jewishworldreview.com/kathleen/parker103100.asp

Didn't ya? No?

Thats the thing.. the NAACP isnt concidered socially by most to be a racist group. I dont think they are necessarly a bad group. (Hell I dont know anything about them), but I have no reason to hate them..

Although there is no doubt they are a racist group by definition.....

It doesnt bother me that there is an African American group.. I just use it as an example of racism...

I just hate it when someone is turned down for a job because of color. Employment apps shouldnt even be allowed to have Race on the form...

Ezell

Well, buffallo, I have little to write about your comments. It's pretty clear to all what your opinion is regarding Affirmative Action, etc. It's not an uncommon opinion at this forum.

What confounds me is your 3.7+ GPA. Your command of the English language, as evidenced by your writing, is in need of considerable improvement.

Thirty-three years ago, after ETSing the army, while in graduate school, I taught freshman English at a major midwestern university. The structure, grammar, and thematic development of your posts, irrespective of your opinions, is abysmal. If your college choices required an application essay, it's no surprise why you didn't get accepted. Get some tutoring.

Well, congratulations Steve on teaching freshmen English. I will always remember my freshmen English professors as idiots... So did their bosses.. hence they were freshmen teachers..

It is not my directive on this board to produce a Pulitzer. Maybe, we should all yield and give praise to the power you behold.. but not many people on a BB would give two sh*ts if I take my time to develop a full sentence..

One thing that you missed in your English profession is the purpose of a Language. What it is all about... When it comes down to it, Language is developed for the ability to communicate. If someone is able to convey a topic, then they have succeeded the English language. No matter if they use the style of Hemmingway or Kerouac.

The world of English is not a structured box anymore. Someone discovered that the lack of discipline led to a more creative ability...

As far as my GPA... I was required to take English every semester. But most of those classes were adv Chem, hnrs Bio, adv Physics, Cal I, II, III, Diff Eq, Matrix, blah...

And .. to COMPLETELY discredit everything you said... I was accepted to every school that I applied too, except for UT. Which was due to lost paperwork. I was notified of this. All I had to do was send them the lost paperwork, and I would have been accepted. Except that I really didn't want to go there after taking the tour.. so I let the acceptance fall. Not that UT acceptance is that hard, since the state requires a high percentage of the students to be from Texas.

The reason I didn't go to schools like GT after being accepted, is because of the financial stress it would have caused on my family. Out of state tuition is crazy. That is why I applied for scholarships... Which is were this discussion begins. I was turned down for scholarships because I am white.

You have got to be one of the most Stupid people I have seen on here. Your logic is unfounded, your thoughts only half developed. You back up your thoughts with air.. nothing is established.. You attacked my ability to write english on a BB, however you seem to have understood part of what I said.. so it must have been English. You must have not completely read what I said in my first post.. you say "it's no suprise why you didn't get accepted".. WTF, I did get accepted... I didn't get scholarships...

I see stupid people.. their everywhere...

Ezell

Way to go Chris! Sounds like Steve*R has his panties in a bunch.

Racist:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

By definition, the NAACP would only loosely (if at all) meet one of these criteria.

But affirmative action is 100% a racist policy.

Not only is it a racist policy, but it is a entirely legal.

And not only legal, but also mandated in certain areas.

Mandadeted racism is the liberal solution to past indescretions.