Godfather's been getting a lot of angry emails from people accusing him of jipping somone on a trade.

If you look at godfather's trade record, and talk to anyone who's traded with him before, his rep is spotless. I'm positive anyone who's traded with him will defend him as a fair and generous trader. Whatever's going on is either an error at the Post Office or an error on the address he sent it to.

So please stop flaming him.

Wowsers.
I have done 2 or 3 trades with Godfather, he always came through just fine. Sounds like a possible extraneous situation to me.

I put this in the other forum, sorry for thread jacking and Slim can slap me if he wants, but here it is again.........

Brothers and Sisters, even though I don't think the ladies have posted on this, calm down. You all seem to be jumping on him really hard. So some **** got lost in the mail. That is between Godfather and whoever he traded with. Since he was unaware of the situation until yesterday evening, why doesn't everybody just wait one damn minute!!!! Godfather is good for compensating his debts and trades. I've conducted many types of business with him many times. Never, in 3 years have I been screwed and I don't see any reasons for him to start now. This man takes pride in his name and reputation. I assure you that he will stop at nothing to right wrongs and settle up with people. He brought me to this board of "brothers" that seemed pretty friendly and reasonable, but I can faintly hear the phrase "et tu, Brute?" being muttered. Even you, his "brothers" of the leaf?

I've had nearly half a dozen trades with godfather and I have nothing but kind words. Give the man a chance to address the issue

I have refrained from making comments on this subject (until now) because I thought this issue was resolved. Some people say that this is not my business.

I say to them “BS”.

It is my business, as I am an active trader with, what I consider, an in tact reputation. It is my business if we have a person within our community that is not upholding their end of an agreement. I am relieved that some have had successful trades with the "Godfather". That is good news but let’s go back to Cigar Trading 101! You are only as good as the last trade. It is a trader’s responsibility to follow through and ensure that their end of the trade gets to its final destination. If they miss this critical step and don’t answer emails then it appears to me (and most everyone else) that they are shunning their end of the agreement

I do not know all the particulars with the trade with JD1 but I know JD1 - Very Well - he is a true BOTL and if he says that he did not get his end of the trade....

Then "BY GOD" he did not get his end of the trade then the Godfather has only one option: Make it right - Immediately!!! Even if this means shipping another package (I recommend using registered mail) to complete the trade.

In different cigar communities the Godfather would not be allowed to continue his pass - As another Grand BOTL would have held the box pending an equitable outcome of the sour trade.

Just my .02 cents.


B

Once this is made public, it becomes everybody's business. Billy is 100% correct! A trader with a spotless record will endeavor to make this right. Even if it involves incurring a loss. So...make it right!

ikonoklast7

I guess that you are at school with Godfather, seeing that you are letting him use your login, would that make you 19 also? careful bro you could end up in the same boat as him. The mans rep is not spottless in my book and I could care less what the excuse is. We are all busy, very busy, if you commit to something you follow through..... trades, clubs ect. no matter what.

Robert, godfather is not at IU with me. He wasn't logged in under my name, he merely sent me a message over IM for me to post so everyone could hear.

Godfather is sending another packaged out to jd1, seeing how he only found out two days ago that the first package didn't arrive, and he's got nothing but **** from people via email automatically thinking he's a swindler instead of giving him a chance to make up for it.

Now, again, back to the point, get off his butt about all this. This is between him and jd1, and there was no need for all these BOTL to act so unbrotherly by automatically condemning him as a cheat.

Ironklast - You Said - Now, again, back to the point, get off his butt about all this. This is between him and jd1, and there was no need for all these BOTL to act so unbrotherly by automatically condemning him as a cheat.

Definition of Brotherhood:

1. The state or relationship of being brothers.

2. Fellowship.

3. An association of men, such as a fraternity or union, united for common purposes.

Last but certainly "NOT" least: All the members of a profession or trade.

So, it is about all of us...Not just between the two parties that you inidicated above.

Bottom Line: Godfather should do whatever it takes to make it right!


B

Good point, smithbw

But I'm still of the opinion he should've been given the benefit of the doubt instead of getting flamed over email like several people decided to do.

I do not know the particulars of this trade.

It is quite clear that some hard feelings have been engendered. It is imperative that when trades are made, the parcels have tracking numbers and are insured. When a parcel is sent, the tracking number should be emailed immediately. I've traded alot of cigars, and only once been burned. The vast majority of times I have been delighted, if not astounded at what my trading partner sent me.
I assume that the party who didn't receive his parcel phoned the fellow who had sent it.
I'm curious to know how long this process has taken.

Before this goes any further...I DO know the whole story. Here are four emails exchanged between me and godfather:

This one is to Jd1:
You sem to know penquin and I want his email. Becuase I cannot be part of the fourms does not he can incriminate me. He does not know whats going on and making me look bad. You tell that little sh*t to contact me or I will find a way to contact him.

Heres my response to him:
Whats up Chris? Making you look bad...you did that yourself! It's real simple, send Jerry the smokes you were suppose to weeks ago and everything will be fine. I will be more than happy to post about how I jumped the gun and you are a true BOTL...just make things right. If this is done, I look like the a$$hole, not you. So you have nothing to worry about 🙂 If you can auction them and make hundreds of
dollars on these deals, why can't you spend $3.85 to send a couple priority mail to people you have already promised them too. I have got packages lost in the mail before and as soon as I do, I send another one. If that one turns up and they get both...so be it. Just make things right...that's all I ask. And like I said before, I will post about how I was wrong and jumped the gun...no harm done to you or your rep.

Heres his response:
Ok first this was brought to my attention yesterday and I already worked it out with him and I am sending a make up package tommorow. Do not comment on what you do not know about and keep your head up your own a$$. You already look like the a$$hole for opening your mouth in the first place. I just found out this package was lost yesterday. So keep that in mind before you comment anymore about someone you do not know.

My response:
What ever you say ole' buddy 🙂
(head back in ass)

You can all decide from here. Read jd1's response to him on the other post too. I in now way threatend him.

Copy and paste form jd1 in another thread:

"Indeed this has gotten out of hand but only several people know the details and many don't. I had to push the issue with godfather or ikonoklast because he did not follow through on the trade. He knew well before the other day that his end didn't get to me yet he didn't follow through. And all many of you are hearing is how one person is getting pissed on by a few others. If you want me to email you the thread we had the entire two plus weeks, then let me know and I'll send it to you and you can see the reason for the pissing. Not once did he mention in several responses that he thought it might have been lost. He first said he lost me email. Fine. Then he said he had my email and sent it Fine. Did he follow through? No. After several weeks and several emails that appeared to be brushing me off, I inquired with several BOTL as to his credentials. I give him the benefit of the doubt if he says he truly didn't know my end didn't get to me. So be it. But his actions spoke volumes. If you don't receive your end of the deal any of you reading this is going to question the same as I did. Any of you is going to start asking around. And like many BOTL you are going to get pissed when someone with a reputation "appears" to not hold up the deal with someone you know. I'm not going to deal with those people; they can do that on their own because that was their choice to respond. Apparently there has been some bad correspondence of which I didn't know about regarding some past issues. As for people jumping his case for it; hey it's up to him to explain his situation to those questioning it because of his actions and it's up to him to come clean on it. So now he says he is. That's fine too. Regardless, it's been a fu#$ed up trade. It's not the cigars it's the principle. Hell I've given more away than what he owes me and of equal quality. Again. many of you are responding to something only several of us know the details about, and godfather knows this. I'm done with this and could care less if his $hit lands on my doorstep. It appears that some of us have a way with conducting trades that is different than others. Personally, I don't conduct trades like someone "buying" smokes and then sit back just to see when or if they will arrive. Many people, myself included, follow through. There's a lot to be said about sending a delivery confirmation number and that would have avoided the whole mess."

Notice the two plus weeks part...

KC

Now, if this all comes out to be true, what Ikon is saying, I will personally right a letter of appology to Godfather and mail it to him. As I said in the emails I will post how I jumped the gun and he is a true BOTL. Just make things right.

KC

I am one who has not traded with Godfather; however, I sent him an unrequested courtesy package with no request to be compensated. (I do this to people who are new or who have traded with me in the past when I get a surplus of sticks.) This is a list of what I sent.

1 CAO Gold Corona (5.5 X 42)
1 CAO L’Anniversaire Corona (5.5 X 42)
1 Macanudo Hyde Park (5.5 X 49)
1 Perdomo 2 Milenario (6.5 X 55)
1 Carlos Toranos Reserva Selecta Robusto Glass Tubo (5 X 50)
1 Carlos Toranos Exodus 1959 Torpedo (6.5 X 54)
1 Hoya de Nicaragua (4.5 X 52)
1 Puros Indios Toro Especial (6 X 53)
1 La Perla Habana Classic Toro (6 X 50)
1 RyJ Clemenceau Tubo (6 X 50)
And a few bonus sticks that I didn't write down.

I hope that none of these sticks has shown up on an auction site. My intent in sending fellow BOTL "free" sticks is for their enjoyment and development of their individual tastes, not for personal profit. Hell, I could auction them if that was what I was interested in.

I have also been involved in the Godfather Pass and put better than I took. I hope he doesn't auction off the two Ashton VSG's I put in the box. 😞

I will stand up for him and say he is NOT auctioning cigars gifted by people here. He is buying rare smokes and putting them up for auction (858 Rosada Sungrown)

KC

He is auctioning off only the 858sg according to his history over there. I will also say that he traded some to me, at a lower return value than he could have gotten by auctioning them.

Godfather has been auctioning off the special cigars he's gotten from a local store (namely 858 SG and rosada, and Hemingway SG) in order to raise some money for buying Christmas gifts for his family and friends.

If you give him a cigar, he either trades, gifts it, or smokes. I haven't seen him auction off any of the smokes he's received from fellow BOTLs.

On his behalf, Penguin13, I say thanks for being a good BOTL.

It's been several days, so I thought I'd get into the mix.

I have a simple question...if GFather is no longer eligible to be on the boards, why is this a board discussion? If he has transactions with people, it is through personal contact. If they want to risk the transaction, let them. If something goes haywire, why is it still the board's issue?

But what the hell do I know?