bassdude
22 years ago
I placed an online order AND received an e-mail confirmation. Came in today and found this:

Mr. Evanoff;

Your order was never processed prior to this moment in time! It was sent and received buy not processed.
Please review the webpage. The price is no longer $165.00 and we must ask you use our website ordering system! Prices were raised due to our wholesale clients complaining about our retail website price being too low to compete!
Since our main business is wholesale distribution to 100s of merchants across the US, we were forced to raise our price on the retail website.
If it will help, I will throw in two samples of our specialty coffees and three discount coupons for future orders. I hope this helps.
Our next order of Carlos Torano Tribute cigars is due in two weeks. Our wholesale order must go in within the next 36 hours or we will not get any. All orders at this point are pre-ordered, or you will not be able to obtain them. I was on the phone just now with the sales rep from Torano cigars and they are requesting I raise the prices of their other cigars, or we stand the chance of loosing our right to distribute them.
We are sorry you were caught in the middle of the price change, but the new prices will stand and are listed on the webpage.


My reply:
That seems odd since I received 2 confirmation e-mails stating my order was processed. I believe you should honor the advertised price. I placed my order at that price. Your offer is appreciated but declined. I can get the torpedos at your price at a multitude of retailers. You are really damaging your credibility. You should check out some of the cigar forums where you are not receiving praise.

And they said:
We were told by Torano to raise our prices, we will continue to provide the same service and prices we previously offered and still list the prices that Torano cigars rep asked us to list. Now, about your cigar forums, tell them that they can get the original prices and also tell them it is our right as an independent company to raise or lower prices at our descretions.... They don't buy from me or offer to pay my bills! If someone wants to get the original price, then email me directly. I am tired of all the time wasted over one line of cigars. We are wholesale distributors serving 100s of shops and merchants throughout the continental US. We have families to support and would like to keep our distributorship with Torano. We have also been in business as XXXXXXXXXXXX since 1997 and before that as XXXXXX Tobacco & Candy, operated by my grandfather, Michael J. Adams, Sr. since 1934!

We are in the business of selling cigars at great prices to whomever wants to buy them. If you want them, we'll get them and we carry 100s more brands than we list on the website! 100s more!

NOW IN 18 Pt FONT
Therefore, Mr. Evanoff; If you still want Torano Tribute cigars we'll put in an advanced order for you and give you and anyone else that contacts me the original prices. But in order to retain our distributorship via Torano we will run the increase pricing on the website.

The next shipment will be in two weeks! Do you still want Torano Tribute cigars at the original price? I have been writing these notes all morning and all yesterday and I am done, the prices will remain on the website and we will sell/ charge the original prices at just over wholesale!
This is because we are in the business of selling cigars and not writing emails!
Please forward this to every person you speak with, including cigar forums, etc. And tell the almighty forum chatters that if they want cigars order! If I go to one of their businesses and I say, Hey; your prices are high....I seriously doubt if any of them will lower their prices! Do you get my point! We are pressured on both sides of the business and we will continue to sell at OUR Descreet Original Prices! Ok, now do you or don't you want your original order?
James H. Baker, Sr. - Founder
bassdude
22 years ago
It was the damn font that pissed me off.
chipslave
22 years ago
What a pompous ass... The cigar dude, not you Tony... LOL

djheater
22 years ago
I wouldn't buy anything from a person who allows anger and spite to interfere with his business relationships. It's a recipe for disaster. You may slip under the fire a few times but eventually a loose cannon like him will find you.
Slimboli
22 years ago
I did, and got my box of Tribute Robusto for $137.50 ...

... and he also told me in my confirmation email, that he would no longer be selling full boxes at all, and that he had to raise the prices on future orders.

Like I said in my previous threads and posts, I was just lucky ... and was just in the right place, at the right time.

BTW ... I had my order placed before he had even received his first shipment ... and he told me that he would honor it because I had been on his waiting list.

I understand the pressure that the big cigar makers put on the tobacconist. They can (and will) suspend their accounts if they do not comply with their wishes ... it happens all the time.
bassdude
22 years ago
I understand that and have no issues with it. It is the tone of the response and the fact that he did not want to honor his listed price. I was going with the torps which I can get for that price at several sites.
Cavallo
22 years ago
well, having just seen an email from another seller wherein he was told by C. Toraño himself to put the price at whatever he wanted (meaning LOW!), i HIGHLY doubt that the Toraño family told this guy to jack up the price.

i'm glad if anyone DID get the lowball price -- that's great. but i'm extremely sorry that some of you guys are having to deal with this kind of b.s. of price gouging.

looks to me like he got hit with a few orders in a row after my recommendation, smelled blood and jacked up the prices.
rasdas
22 years ago
Tony,

I did not like the e-mail i got from them as well...they seemed pretty "balsy" in saying they were going to raise the price and if i wanted to be on the list at that price rather then at the price they had on their website...just did not seem right...so said screw them...and placed my order at the other place i told you...box shipped out yesterday...and all in all it was just $6 more...(that other place charged an arm and a leg for s&h)...

My box is scheduled to arrive tuesday...

RasDas

Joe
HarleyDave
22 years ago
I had the same problem and I've informed the company that I will never purchase another product from them. I do not buy from stores that pull the bait and switch that this one pulled. If they want to raise the price, that is their right, but they should honor all orders that were placed at the old price.
Cavallo
22 years ago
sorry -- hit the post button too soon.

guys, i want to offer a personal apology for recommending this site. i was given the info from an old friend who had ordered from them with no problems for years. that friend is an individual consumer, not a retailer or anything of the kind.

but i'm the one who posted the info to you guys, so i -- not my buddy -- take responsibility for passing on the tip. if i had any idea this guy would flip like a fish sucking air i'd have never recommended him.

please accept my apology for ever posting the guy's info. i'm TRULY sorry for the hassle and attitude that some of you are getting.
rasdas
22 years ago
Cavallo...

Dont worry about it...it was not your fault...this vendor saw a chance to make more money...and he basically sold out...and i will not ever do business with that site again...

I for one, do not blame you at all...

RasDas

Joe
Cavallo
22 years ago
btw, sent emails out to a couple of you guys re: trading for tribs. check your email. bassdude, i'll resend to your other email.
Sonny_LSU
22 years ago
f....u....c....m....

Now, go spend your money on something else.....nothing is that sacred in the cigar world that I'd put up with condescending crap like that.

mrtelcom
22 years ago
I like the sound of that... mrtelcom - almighty forum chatter.
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  • Connoisseur
22 years ago
To really put the screws to this guy... find out who he wholesales to and don't buy from there either. To boycott this guy and buy from someone else, you run the risk of buying from one of his clients, which will put money in his pocket anyway.
Fubar69
22 years ago
Bassdude..would you please send me the name of this site. Even though I didn't order from him, that I know of, I would still like to email my .02 regarding this type of attitude. The only way these outfits will know of how they are hurting their credibility, etc. is if they get the negative feedback. Even possibly Torano should get cc. of the emails...69

rnl712 at hotmail dot com
Buddha Daddy
22 years ago
FUBAR has the right idea, if enough people were to complain and Torano knew about it they would almost surely investigate the situation and this guy would at the very least fell like an ass.
Slimboli
22 years ago
After re-reading your post, bassdude ... it looks to me like he is offering to sell to you (and anyone else who emails him) ... at the original price.

I think all you guy's are 'jumping the gun' a little here ...

... and if it were me, I wouldn't let the 'font' thing, or even his attitude (obviously he's getting tired of it all) stop me from getting a great deal on a fantastic cigar ...

But, if you want to be angry about it ... that's your call.
Cavallo
22 years ago
oh, i'm going to let frankie at Toraño know about it.
gorob23
22 years ago
Tony email me the site is the one I told you about?
Rob
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