men and women are dying on an average of one a day in iraq.

people are out of work in droves and the appearance of the jobless rate going down is simply people that have given up looking for work.

25% or more of the people in this country have no medical insurance.

about the same amount are below the poverty level.

ken lay stole and spent more of other peoples money on his front lawn than martha stewart made by selling from a tip. she is on trial he is playing golf.

but we are facing a major crises and so:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm 

Janet Jackson is out of work.

Unemployment rate drops to 5.6% as 112K new jobs are created in January.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110632,00.html 

HockyDad,

You can't post that. That's just more of the conservative media bias that Rick was talking about earlier. They're also responsible for Dean's downfall... didn't you know that? 🙂

I think we can thank Al Gore for Dean's implosion.

Seems like anybody Algore endorses gets beat!!!!

Maybe he will switch his endorsement to Kerry when Dean drops out...............!

C

Sometimes there's just so much "news" that we need some mindless blather like the Janet nipple to give people something to talk about. Americans love scandals.

I work in a cubicle farm like many of you likely do. Everyday this weeks that's all I hear coming over the cubicle walls. Nobody is talking politics, war in Iraq, or sports. It's great water cooler conversation and that's about it.

It will blow over just like the Britney Madonna kiss.

Of course there is the moron that has filed a class action suit over the nipple.

I'm personally more offended by the ripped flag that was worn by Kid Rock. I don't have a problem with people burning the flag in protest but wearing it as a poncho to show your patriotism is just ignorant. Kind of like having sex to promote abstinance.

On the same night JJ was showing her stuff. A Correctional Officer held hostage for over 14 days in an Arizona State Prison was released by her hostage takers, alive. This story was buried well behind the story of the boob.

The boob knows all and sees all.

are you aware of how those stats come about?

when you run out of unemployment benefits, you no longer count towards the unemployed statistic.

it's not that you have a job; you just don't count in the numbers anymore.

i hope, for ALL of us, that the economy is improving. but i do not see it -- and believe me, i look. people who have been at the same job for 20-30 years are finding themselves out of a job now, and there's just nothing opening up. perhaps there are pockets in the US where this isn't the case, but i know a heck of a lot of industrious, hard-working americans who find themselves out of work for the first time in their lives now -- and the new jobs supposedly coming 'round like lightning to replace them? they don't see them either.

i'm not talking about deadbeats and bums, either.

thing is, tony da sicilian liberal here doesn't point the finger of blame at dubya. a lot of factors play into where we are at this point in time -- some old business, some new business, some global influences, some changes in the way we DO business now.

to say "it's dubya's fault" is too simplistic.

just as it's too simplistic to blame all of us evil liberals for anything else under the sun.

Cavallo

"to say "it's dubya's fault" is too simplistic"

it certainly is.

but sometimes the simplest answer is the closest to the truth

well, rick, occam's razor aside, sometimes the simplest explaination is just the EASIEST, too.

when i learned that bush was going to be our president, i was absolutely apoplectic with rage. i had not one ounce of respect for the AWOL little loserheard. none. hated the man. a lot.

but right now, it looks like, if i vote at all, i might just vote for him.

do i still have issues with how he's done things as prez? absolutely. they're the same things i disagree with vehemently with a LOT of people, though. honestly, i think that there are ways in which i think dubya has been GREAT for this country. i can't ignore that just because i take issue with his views in some cases.

i definitely don't see the democrats offering up a single candidate who could keep our country as COHESIVE as dubya's been doing. yes, there are things i want to see changed; i hope they will change, and i will continue to run my yap on a personal level in hopes of getting through to people about certain issues.

but i have to admit, too, that while we are at war, i am glad that we have bush in office. he's turning out to be a good war PRESIDENT, even if he was a flop in the air national guard.

Not to threadjack too hard, but I keep hearing all this tripe about Bush being AWOL... First, the Democrats used Dan Quayles enlistment in the National Guard to avoid the draft to impugn his character, and the Republicans say it's still service! Second, Slick Willie signed up for the National Guard, and bailed out when he got picked up as a Rhodes Scholar, becoming bulletproof against the draft that way, the Republicans tout him as a draft dodger! Now this! I think both sides have shown that this is only considered important as an issue to beat the OTHER side over the head with and of no real value, or cost if your candidate happens to be on the wrong side of. So GET OVER IT! Those of us who put on the uniform every day are at least releived to be working for someone who doesn't practice what will get us busted, placed on restriction, and removed from the service (sexual fraternization with a subordinate), We are required to show respect for the president, but this one returns it! I saw him get back off of Marine One once to return the salute of the Marine sentry who saluted him as he boarded. No, he's not perfect. He has done some things that some liberals have decried, that Slick Willie did, his dad did, and Reagan did (illegal alien amnesty) and I think this country will survive now as well as it did before! I don't think that I have to agree on every issue with my Commander in Chief, but I'd like to think he posseses a certain amont of character. Scratch any of us, and you'll find something distasteful, but at least he doesn't roll in it!

CWF: let me clarify something about my AWOL statement -- i was referring to my PAST TENSE view of the president. there were a lot of men with rich daddies (or other means to power) who did a lot of things that they may not be proud of today.

and i agree with you that presidents' service records (or lack thereof or tarnishing thereof) have been lobbed back and forth like a game of hot potato. my view of dan quayle was that he DID serve ("those also serve who only stand and wait"). whether big daddy pulled some strings to keep him out of 'nam, i don't know. doesn't really matter.

that was then; this is now.

frankly, i don't give a fiddler's fart about clinton's sex life either. i don't think bush OR clinton have sterling reputations (alcoholism, cocaine use...).

the best professor i had in college was a total scumbag outside of the classroom. made it difficult to reconcile that with the fact that INSIDE the classroom, when he was doing his job, he did it very well, and i benefitted from his teaching.

but no one ever said that being human meant being simple and uncomplicated.

what i have to go by with my vote is how the man's doing in his job. and as far as that goes, i've yet to see a perfect job done by anyone there either.

i do think (now) that it's a bit much to hold people accountable for things that have nothing - zero - zilch to do with the job at hand. both clinton and dubya have done poor things and quite wonderful things with their time in office, imo.

i will grant this: dubya has at least restored the ILLUSION of "honor and decency" to the post of POTUS -- now whether you believe that it's real is going to vary from person to person. some think he's the best prez ever; some think he's a murdering liar. but we all know how the saying goes about opinion. 🙂

one thing that i DO respect bush for is the way he has lead this country towards respect for our military personnel. one thing that bugs me a lot about him is the way his administration is screwing over some of our veterans. again, it's never black or white. but on the whole, i am not surprised that he is able to inspire a LOT of respect from the military men and women. and i'm glad of that, because no one in uniform should have to worry about fighting a foreign enemy while also worrying if your Com. in Chief is friend or foe as well.

actually, i'd be interested in hearing hog's view on the prez from a military perspective.

Cavallo

"occam's razor" ??

TONY, here you have been making believe you were just another pleasant BOTL and not a philosopher also. i think the common phrase is KISS.

you were doing well with "i had not one ounce of respect for the AWOL little loserheard. none. hated the man. a lot."

now i start to lose the thread with "i think dubya has been GREAT for this country." i've looked through my notes and perhaps the page fell out. what has he done that is ok, no less great.

"but i have to admit, too, that while we are at war, i am glad that we have bush in office. he's turning out to be a good war PRESIDENT, even if he was a flop in the air national guard."

first you don't have to admit it and second are you refering to the war he started because the saudi's caused 9/11 and he couldn't get osama ben laden, and he started, or i should say, continued to look like he did back in the oil business where he was part of three oil companies that failed.

"i definitely don't see the democrats offering up a single candidate". nor i. i had hopes for dean, but as i stated before the conservative media chewed him up like they did with mc cain. kerry is bush taller.

"our country as COHESIVE as dubya's been doing."

do you mean like cutting funding for all the programs the right side of his mouth says he is for while the left side reduces funding. or perhaps the use of the word "quota" refering to affermitave action action, nowing full well it's race baiting.

i understand he has great appeal among the 18 to 22 year olds. you know, the young'uns that have pictures of the food on the computer instead of names and a machine that tell them you have 47 cents change coming. some of them actually do ask if you want fries with that. i can see the symbiotic relationship.

CWFoster

even i can find no fault in anything you said, and you know i tried.

Cavallo Date: 02/07/2004 04:40 AM

i can't find fault with this post.

i better go to sleep. it's 4:10 am and i am losing my perspective.

I am a Democrat. Don't you think the problem with the Democrats is that they never have a clear cut guy, or girl, running? They always beat each other up. If are one of the losers in the primary, how can you honestly support the other Dem after you just bashed him? It seems to me that Republicans stick together more often and they all stick behind one or two main people.

I come from a small town where it is 5-1 Democrats. Republicans have no shot at anything here. Especially when we have people like my grandmother who votes straight Dem regardless of who is running. Charles Manson could be running and if he was running as a Dem, he would get her vote.

I think the problem with this Country is that too many people either vote for the party regardless of who is running or don't give a crap and don't vote. Take the 2000 election. Only 51% of all people eligible to vote, voted. That is a disgrace to this Country and our roots. People take things for granted too much and think "why bother, it'll do no good." That is the wrong attitude. I bet you when elections in Iraq start, more then 50% will turn out. I said my 2¢ worth.

See the cents sign????

Sorry, the ¢ sign was for another post

Cavallo- I wasn't referring to your post specifically! I usually just shine on the liberals doing the "AWOL Shuffle" as beyond convincing. I only answered your post, because I know you are an intelligent person, and I thought I'd finally voice my .02 worth to someone who would at least read my thoughts before composing a rebuttal. BTW, someone once made allegations about Bush using cocaine, and rather than the usual denials, he basically refused to dignify the question with a response. The press (consrervative-controlled, I think not Mr. Maven!) had a field day with the "doesn't deny" angle. No one has ever provided any evidence or testimony to back such claims! Second, Bush admitted to having a drinking problem, and quit drinking long before running for the presidency. Did Clinton quit philandering before he went into office? I hope Hog does post, I like his posts, but you have a military viewpoint here too.

Rick- I'm glad you could find no fault, that's one of the things I like about you, you keep me honest, and tighten up my game! 🙂