merocha
Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:47:00 AM
Does anyone know what happens if cigars are stored at a tenp. below 70%(say65%) for extended period of time(say a year or two for aging) ?
CWFoster
Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:08:00 AM
%? are you talking about temp, or RH?
merocha
Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:11:00 AM
Iam sorry I ment temp..
Ridgerunner65
Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:42:00 AM
Too warm, the dreaded beetle larvae are a distinct possibility

As far as I can tell, 65F should be no problem for aging

Cooler, the aging process might be somewhat slower

CWFoster
Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:35:00 PM
ought to be near ideal, 70 is ideal, and over that you may run into beetle trouble. I've heard that all cigars have SOME beetle eggs in them, and if the temp gets too high, you run the risk of them hatching. if you deviate from 70, go to the low side. 65 shouldn't slow the aging process too much, as we're only talking about 5 degrees.
Cavallo
Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:14:00 PM
speaking of... tomorrow it's gonna be 70º out, so the warmer days are a-coming. our house has central air, but it still gets up into the 80º area. i do NOT want beetles. i can keep my plastic humi on the washer as the ac is usually a LOT cooler in the laundry cubby area than anywhere else. my desktop can go there too i supposed, but what a PITA. 😛

any suggestions on good storage places? cabinets are a no-no, as it just gets warmer there (craptastic insulation this house has). i also wonder if it would be helpful or harmful to have a fan pointed at the plastic humi -- it's airtight, so i don't think i'd screw up the humidity inside by doing so. just troubleshooting before the heat hits -- it could shoot up into the 80's anytime here now.

redneck1
Monday, March 1, 2004 12:05:00 AM
I wouldn't worry about it. Mine stay in the nice cool basement year round.

Humidification level and variation are my concern. But oversized home built credos in the humidors fix that problem.

Cavallo
Monday, March 1, 2004 3:06:00 AM
alas, no basement here for storing my stash. i'm a-okay on humidity and not at all worried about that. i do worry about any hatchlings that might decide that the temp's juuuuuuust right, though.
Ridgerunner65
Monday, March 1, 2004 4:29:00 AM
Remember that heat tends to rise. Store low in your coolest room

If you think you'll have a long term problem with warmer than ideal temps, check threads regarding how to freeze to kill beetles, then start prepping each new batch before storing

Cavallo
Monday, March 1, 2004 8:16:00 AM
ahhhhh. good to remember the "store 'em low" thing, thanks! yeah, i've looked at the posts about freezing etc. i hope i never have to do it tho!
drnos
Monday, March 1, 2004 11:26:00 AM
I discussed this with the Camacho rep at a cigar tasting in town. He suggested the bathroom under-sink cabinets. Keep in mind that in semi-arid SoCal our biggest problem is not temp but in keeping our cigars humid enough. Our environmental RH can dip as low as 20% during our infamous "santanas."
al'Thor
Monday, March 1, 2004 12:24:00 PM
I've seen varying reports - form 65 to 75 being the max temp before beetles can hatch - one site quotes the The U.S. Department of Agriculture saying that it reports that the beetles entire growth cycle will occur, slowed but not stopped, at temperatures above 65 deg. F, assuming the humidity is above 40 percent.

BTW, during the 100+ degree texas summers, we keep our house around 80 and no 'low' place will get the temp down - I place my humidor on my refrig. which is directly below the a/c vent. The humidor is about 1 foot from the vent and I check the temp daily - never gets above 72.

arwings
Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:02:00 PM
Just my thoughts, with no scientific evidence to back it up............Personally I don't want my temp to exceed 70 degrees. I understand logically that I'm probably getting a little on the OCD side of the allowable side of high temp, but I just don't really want to take a chance. I also realize that in certain parts of the country it is going to be much more difficult to maintain a temp of 70 degrees or less. However, when I think about the fact that I have several hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to lose, I am willing to invest the additional money to insure that I keep the temp at a level that is going to give me piece of mind. Again, this is just me.........it may not apply to anyone else..........
arwings
Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:02:00 PM
Just my thoughts, with no scientific evidence to back it up............Personally I don't want my temp to exceed 70 degrees. I understand logically that I'm probably getting a little on the OCD side of the allowable side of high temp, but I just don't really want to take a chance. I also realize that in certain parts of the country it is going to be much more difficult to maintain a temp of 70 degrees or less. However, when I think about the fact that I have several hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to lose, I am willing to invest the additional money to insure that I keep the temp at a level that is going to give me piece of mind. Again, this is just me.........it may not apply to anyone else..........
arwings
Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:05:00 PM
Damn! Sorry about the double post............I still don't know how that happens............