Slimboli
Friday, May 7, 2004 7:34:00 PM
... and all you others out there eagerly grabbing up those boxes of ISOM's ...

***HOW TO MAKE SURE NOT TO BUY COUNTERFEIT CUBAN CIGARS***

With Cuban cigars growing in popularity, counterfeit cigars are booming as well.

Follow these easy steps to check your cigars, and you should have no problem in recognizing a fake.

---On the outside of the box---

Check for the Warranty Seal. On cabinets, it is placed over the sliding's edge on the upper right corner of the box. On dress boxes it is on the front left edge wrapping around the top and bottom. This seal has been applied since 1912 to guarantee the provenance of the cigars enclosed.

As of this year, new seals have been issued with a new updated seal, which has finer printing details that make them more difficult to counterfeit.

Check for the Habanos Chevron on the top upper right corner of dress boxes, and top lower left corner of cabinets. This seal has been on boxes of Cuban cigars since 1994.

Check the bottom of the box for the logos: "HABANOS S.A.". This is the name of the only Exporter of Cuban cigars. This image will appear on all boxes exported since October 1994. On boxes between 1985 and September 1994, Cubatobaco's logo would appear instead. As for "HECHO EN CUBA", this encircled phrase appears on boxes in 1960 to replace the same word but in English "Made in Cuba". "TOTALMENTE A MANO", this script was added in 1989. These seals are not applied, they are actually burned on the wood, you will be able to feel them with your touch.

---On the Inside of the box---

Upon opening the box, you will find a 4 1/4 x 2 3/4 rectangular piece of paper with the Habanos logo in brown. It reads "These Havanas have been made with the finest tobacco in the world" in four languages: Spanish, English, French, and German.

There should be no cellophane on handmade cigars except in the 3/5 pack Petacas style packaging.

Machine made cigars are typically packed in cellophane sleeves. Dress boxes and non-SLB cabinets will have a plain cedar separator sheet between the two levels of cigars. This thin sheet will have a small finger rounded notch cut out of its upper right hand corner.

Cabinet style boxes will have a cedar top sheet featuring a version of the brands logo. Dress boxes, except those containing tubos, will have a paper flap attached to the front edge of the box that flips up and toward the front to expose the cigars. It will typically feature a secondary brand vista. Rafael Gonzalez boxes have a unique four sided plain paper interior protection flap in place of the normal front flap. Boxes with tubed cigars have no such flap.

Cabinets with sliding lids will have the cigars tied in a small wheel or round with a yellow ribbon. The ribbon will be imprinted with brand and vitola names. It is important to ensure that the ribbon is made of a silky material and that it is tightly tied around the cigars. Look to ensure it has not been untied and retied the Cigars Themselves.

This is the best way to check your product and where most counterfeiters fail. The cigars will be of uniformed color and if there is any variation at all the cigars will be organized within the box with the darkest ones being placed on the left to the lightest one situated at the far right.

The cigars will be of the exact length as specified for the vitola. There is rarely greater than 1/16th of an inch of deviation from the published lengths of Cuban cigars.

The ring gauges of the cigar should be as specified also. However, you will commonly witness slight deviations plus or minus a ring size. This is particularly true of cigars that are box pressed - remember the ring gauge is determined prior to the cigars being box pressed.

All ringed Cuban cigars should have tight clean bands with good color and embossing, if applicable, and should have the word "Habana" on it. They should show no signs of wear, creases, or glue stains as these are common indicators of rings that have been re-banded onto other cigars.

Don't be over critical of the bands as misregistrations and imperfect embossings are not all that uncommon. In fact many of the mistakes are so common, they in themselves are proof the bands

are legitimate.

bassdude
Friday, May 7, 2004 7:39:00 PM
thanks Slim
Slimboli
Saturday, May 8, 2004 4:45:00 AM
***MONTH AND YEAR CODES ON BOXES***

---MONTH CODES---

2000 and Onward

ENE (January)

FEB (February)

MAR (March)

ABR (April)

MAY (May)

JUN (June)

JUL (July)

AGO (August)

SEP (Spetember)

OCT (October)

NOV (November)

DIC (December)

End of 1999

EPOO May

ESOO June

EUOO July

EAOO August

EOOO September

LEOO October

LLOO November

LROO December

Beginning 1999 to Mid 1999

UN January

UE February

UT March

UA April

UG May

UI June

UD July

UO August

UC September

NU October

Before 1999

UN January

UE February

UT March

UA April

UG May

UI June

UD July

UO August

UC September

NU October

---YEAR CODES---

2000 and Onward

00 2000

01 2001

02 2002

03 2003

Beginning 1999 to Mid 1999

N 1

E 2

T 3

A 4

G 5

I 6

D 7

O 8

C 9

U 0

Before 1999

N 1

I 2

V 3

E 4

L 5

A 6

C 7

U 8

S 9

O 0

***FACTORY BOX CODES***

LA HAVANA

EGD Carlos Baliño, formerly El Rey del Mundo

EDC Briones Montoto, formerly Romeo y Julieta

EUN El Laguito

EAT Francisco Pérez Germán, formerly Partagás

EOG Miguel Fernández Roig, formerly La Corona

ENI Héroes de Moncada

ECA José Martí, formerly H. Upmann

EEO Juan Cano Sainz, formerly Por Larrañaga

PROVINCE

OTC Cienfuegos I

OAI Cienfuegos II

OOG Cruces

OET Cumanayagua

OIN Lajas

NAT Bayamo

NOO Jiguaní

UNG Antilla

UDI Gibara

UAN Holguín I

UCE Holguín II

UET San Andrés

TEN Artemisa I

TEC Artemisa II

TND Bejucal

TOU Güines

TAE Güira I

TDC Güira II

TIO Quivicán

TCI San Antonio I

TNG San Antonio II

TGT San Antonio de las Vegas

TUD San Nicolás de Bari

TTA Santa Cruz del Norte

GDI Candelaria

GAO Consolación del Sur

GCN Piloto

GNU Pinar del Río

GOC San Juan (Rio Seco)

CEG Arroyo Blanco

COT Cabaiguán

CGI Fomento

CNE Guayos

CTO Jatibonico

CUN Perea

CID Sancti-Spíritus

CDU Taguasco

CAC Trinidad

CCA Zaza del Medio

AGE Santiago de Cuba

DNU Báez

DDE Camajuaní

DIT Esperanza

DEC Manicaragua

DGC Placetas

DAI Quemado de Güines

DOD Ranchuelo

DCO Remedios

DTA Santa Clara I

DAT Santa Clara II

DNC Santo Domingo

DUN Vueltas

OTHERS LA HAVANA

BM Briones Montoto, formerly Romeo y Julieta

CB Carlos Baliño, formerly El Rey del Mundo

EH El Habanero

EL El Laguito

FPG Francisco Pérez Germán, formerly Partagás

FR Miguel Fernández Roig, formerly La Corona

JCS Juan Cano Sainz, formerly Por Larrañaga

JM José Marti, formerly H. Upmann

HM Héroes de Moncada

LM Las Mambisas

OTHERS PROVINCE

CFG Cienfuegos region (same as CFGS)

CFGS Cienfuegos region (same as CFG)

FD Francisco Donantien, Pinar Del Rio region

LV Las Villas region

RD Ricardo Donatien, Pinar del Rio region

SS Sancti-Spirítus region

TLP Tobacos Lázaro Peña, San Antonio region

TTB Granma, Bayamo region

TTH Holguín region

VC Villa Clara, Santa Clara region (same as VSC)

VSC Villa Santa Clara, Santa Clara region (same as VC)

MACS
Saturday, May 8, 2004 3:36:00 PM
Very good read. Using this information, I am certain the cigars I have are fake. The box is real, no doubt about it. The seal was placed properly, the burn mark is authentic and it has stamped on the bottom FEB00 and just above that it has SEL. The kicker is in the cigar construction. They just do not feel right... and the clincher for me was the cedar divider. It was cracked and did not fit exactly right. The corner looked like it was torn off and was semi-straight, not rounded and perfectly cut as it should have been. The bands, now that I look at them closely, appear to have an excessive amount of glue.

Bottom line is this: I've been duped. This guy saw me coming and jacked me up. Period. For those of you that use this site... do so at your own risk. I will never use it again.

Just my $.02

Buckwheat
Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:09:00 PM
Hey Macs,

I'd love to have a little chat with you. Thanks

ex_buckwheat_sententia at hotmail

Buckwheat
Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:24:00 PM
Slimboli, great info... Thanks.
Cavallo
Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:29:00 PM
slim, thanks for the info. habanos are way, way out of my league, but i like to learn all the same.

so-- what IS a guy to do when he goes to a reputable vendor and gets burned? should he "sound the alarm" so to speak, or what?

billyjackson
Saturday, May 8, 2004 5:33:00 PM
Slim....

thanks for the info. However, I'm much more of a hands-on learner....can you send me a few boxes of ISOMs so I can determine first hand if they are authentic???? Of course, I would also have to perform taste tests.

MACS
Saturday, May 8, 2004 6:29:00 PM
e-mail sent billy.
billyjackson
Saturday, May 8, 2004 6:54:00 PM
???? Mac???

mrbillyjackson

hotmail

Slimboli
Saturday, May 8, 2004 7:11:00 PM
Cavallo --- sound the alarm for what? Purchasing contraband? Besides, it's not something that can be done on this forum ... because of CB's rules.

The best action to take, is try to get a refund (I believe MAC(SW) was offered that option) ... and just move on.

Cavallo
Saturday, May 8, 2004 9:13:00 PM
slim -- no, i wasn't talking about sounding an alarm here; just a general question, like for what happened in shawn's case. going for a refund makes sense, yes, but i meant in terms of (privately) warning others. i think the heads up would be a good idea, just brotherly concern for others. likewise, if others had good experiences with the co., that's good to know as well. just helps folks make a more informed decision on whether or not to take the chance -- "okay, so this one bro got screwed, but then these bros all had good experiences." thas all. 🙂
RussellKaufmann
Saturday, May 8, 2004 9:27:00 PM
Nice cut and paste Slim.
Slimboli
Sunday, May 9, 2004 2:53:00 AM
Ah, the beauty of the computer. Anyway, I had to 'copy and paste' ... the info came from a competitors site. Besides that, MAC(SW) asked me to email him with as much info as I could on Cuban cigars ... as he is going to be deployed soon, and he wants to be as prepared as possible.

I 'copy and pasted' the information here instead, because I thought it would benefit others as well, but thanks for pointing out the obvious ...

BTW ... do you really think that I, or anyone else, could compose all that from memory?

MACS
Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:44:00 AM
Sorry Billy... I meant buckwheat.
Buckwheat
Sunday, May 9, 2004 6:47:00 AM
Who cares if Slim Cut n Paste? The info is still good. MACS just sent mail.
Slimboli
Sunday, May 9, 2004 8:50:00 AM
Cavallo --- I see your point now ... and yes, I believe that there have been several private emails sent to those involved with that particular company.
gorob23
Sunday, May 9, 2004 10:04:00 AM
MAC can you shoot me an email whne You get a chance

gorob23

at yahoo

dot

CWFoster
Sunday, May 9, 2004 12:27:00 PM
Slim, if I may add to what is already a wealth of good info, the new seals have ultraviolet-reactive ink in a watermark, and in the serial number. half the number turns black (vise red under full spetrum light) and there is a watermark that is invisible except under blacklight. These were both implemented to make it still harder to counterfiet the seals. Now, I have to go find and purchase stock in a company that sells small battery powered blacklights! LOL
Slimboli
Sunday, May 9, 2004 12:36:00 PM
... glad you brought that one up!