I may sound really dumb here but I recieved an Arturo Fuente in a trade an 8-5-8 and it was wrapped in cedar and has a ribbon on the end, I have been saving it for awhile, but the other day I walked into my local and they had 8-5-8's as well except they didn't have the cedar...so whats the difference?? By the way I bought one and smoked it, and although the draw was pretty tight, it was great.