HWYMAN
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Friday, September 24, 2004 7:17:00 PM
I have six humidors and I can not seem to be able to maintain low tenperatures during the summer months. I would appreciate any advice [avg. temp. 79-88 F.]

What are the dangers? Thanks.

CWFoster
Friday, September 24, 2004 8:44:00 PM
beetle-hatch, resultant bugs turning your sticks into confetti.
Homebrew
Friday, September 24, 2004 8:59:00 PM
Pick up some Climmax 65% beads. I believe the lower humidity will keep the beetles from hatching. Not sure, but I believe that is so.

Later

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

xrundog
Saturday, September 25, 2004 3:43:00 AM
Buy an air conditioner. Small ones are inexpensive. Then pick a room you want cool.
BuckyB93
Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:48:00 AM
Beetle hatch is more temp dependant than humidity. Climax beads will only help control humidity. The temp in the 80's are not bad for the smokes unless you get beetle problems (remember, your sticks spent most of their life in the tropics). You can freeze the smokes and that should kill any beetle eggs and prevent them from hatching. Rather than get into all that here, here's a pretty comprehensive cigar FAQ. It has a good discussion storage.

http://www.cigargroup.com/faq/ 

I hope I didn't violate any rules by posting this link.

Slimboli
Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:04:00 AM
HWYMAN --- your problems with 'heat' it about to solve itself, with the onset of winter ... ๐Ÿ˜‰

The correct balance is between 68 to 72 percent

relative humidity and a temperature of about 70 degrees F.

Temperature is not much of a concern as most homes are usually kept at a comfortable 70 degrees, but be aware that temperatures in excess of 75-80 degrees can become a danger to your cigars as that is the temperature favored by tobacco beetles and other insect pests.

Lower humidity is not so much a factor in the hatching of beetle larvae. But, if you add over-dampness to the warmth, mold can grow, with similar spoilation ... so making sure that you are not over humified is very important.

Just because a suggestion has been made as to humidity and temperature percents and degrees, you don't have to have the humidity and temperature exact. Let the tobacco decide what is right.

Some areas of the country are more humid than others and some areas are more stable in temperature than others. When you are storing your tobacco and the humidity and temperature settings are not exact, don't worry. If your cigars and tobacco are still fresh, then your humidor is doing its job.

Also, some questions have been raised as to the air tightness of the container. Sure you want your humidor to be able to retain moisture but again don't be a stickler about the air tightness. Let the humidor breath. If you have to recharge your humidification system more often, so be it. Just make it a weekly regiment and your cigars/tobacco will be fresh and you'll be happier.

I have been doing a lot of research on this subject lately, and am starting to believe that cigars have a shelf life of about one year, then decline irreversibly. I have read that, 'No one in Cuba stores their cigars. They smoke them right away.' Perhaps the American and British smoking gentry know something about cigars Cubans don't, but it seems unlikely. Be aware, also, that the Brits tend to favor drier cigars than most, too.

There is a scientific consideration that may shed light on this issue. Long-storage advocates would say that one could store cigars indefinitely as long as the humidity remains at a proper level, so the cigars would not dry out.

But this is not correct, when one understands that cigar taste is not a matter only of whether the water content has evaporated. It depends upon whether the volatile aromatic oleoresins (the oils mentioned above) have evaporated. These are the saps, the resins which give the cigars their taste and aroma.

A little knowledge of the relative independence of partial vapor pressures with respect to each other's outgassing rates supports the theory that long-term storage is not always wise.

Even with humidity at a full 100%, creating a rain-forest environment for the cigars, the oleoresins will still dry out at the same rate as if the humidity were at desert-level! The evaporation rate for the oils depends solely upon the concentration level of those specific oleoresins in the container, independent of the level of water vapor. Unless the level of the tobacco oleoresins themselves remain at 100%, they will evaporate out of the tobacco. The cellophane that seals a cigar box will maintain this high humidity level for the aromatics for a few months. But after a while, the aromatics will be lost through tiny leaks and by passing through the cellophane membrane itself.

The answer to this paradox is that some cigars react favorably to aging, some do not. They may not actually taste better after aging, only different. With the loss of oils, they probably sacrifice richness for mellowed smoothness.

CWFoster
Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:43:00 AM
I somewhat disagree with Slim, but what he says is essentially correct. I think some stick will improve with age. Some are actually better fresh, and As I've read, about six years is the max for aging to do any good, and almost without question, after ten to twelve, they begin going downhill. I've also heard it speculated that the tobacco producers (almost the entire nation of Cuba could fall into this category) discount the concept of aging cigars as the implications are that they put out a less than optimum product, and the cost for them to warehouse the cigars for five or six years (on top of the two to five spent curing the tobacco) would cut deeply into their profits. Smoke some save some, record the results and act on your findings with future purchaces, that what makes this hobby so much fun!
hat
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Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:02:00 AM
Hey Slim. I read it! Good stuff & food for thought.
hat
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Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:08:00 AM
HWYMAN,

One thing that might help a tad til you either have cooler weather or get an air conditioner......put your huidors on the floor. It tends to run slightly cooler close to the floor. I think.

Slimboli
Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:47:00 AM
CWFoster --- keep in mind, that it's the 'volatile' oils that are the most important factor in cigar flavor and aroma ...

... and really, if you think about it, the longer they age ... the less 'oleoresins' remain in the leaves due to the evaporation that takes place.

Just my 2ยข ...

thurson
Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:11:00 AM
hat wrote: "HWYMAN,

One thing that might help a tad til you either have cooler weather or get an air conditioner......put your humidors on the floor. It tends to run slightly cooler close to the floor. I think."

We get many 90 plus days in the summer and a few stretches of 100 plus as well. I have one room in the house that stays the coolest, the hall bath. It's in the middle of the house and only has one small exterior wall, North facing. It also has ceramic tile flooring. Since moving my humi in there it has not exceeded 75 degrees on the hottest days and normally ranges between 69 and 71.

CWFoster
Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:29:00 AM
--- keep in mind, that it's the 'volatile' oils that are the most important factor in cigar flavor and aroma ...

... and really, if you think about it, the longer they age ... the less 'oleoresins' remain in the leaves due to the evaporation that takes place.

As I said, What you posted is essentially correct! Some cigars (I think) are a bit rough right out of the box, and allowing SOME of these oils to evaporate allows the cigar to "mellow" and become more enjoyable. In that respect, aging CAN help some cigars, and in some cases improve an already great cigar (Torano 1959 Exodus Gold comes to mind, hard to let any of those age!) I cases of the latter, I think a year is about the most I COULD let them set, and I can't see much improvement occurring without a corresponding loss of flavor. So while we have a very minor difference of opinion, we agree on what is occurring, andthe basic effect. ๐Ÿ™‚

See you .02, and raise! LOL

Slimboli
Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:10:00 PM
I may be wrong, but I think you may be confusing the cigars 'oleoresins' with 'amonia' ... in stating that "Some cigars (I think) are a bit rough right out of the box, and allowing SOME of these oils to evaporate allows the cigar to "mellow" and become more enjoyable."

Cigars are best smoked during the first three months after they are rolled, or a year after they are rolled. During that nine-month period, known to aficionados as 'the sick period', cigars are relatively tasteless ... compared to the brash young cigars, and the much more refined cigars that have been aged a year or more.

I think that a great many of the cigars that we get, are sold during that 'sick period', as many of the manufacturers will usually release them after a 6 month rest in their aging rooms.

... see your raise, and call ... ๐Ÿ˜‰

HWYMAN
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Saturday, September 25, 2004 6:18:00 PM
Thanks for all of the info. All of your input is appreciated. I am aging about 1,000 and I would hate to lose them.
RussellKaufmann
Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:55:00 PM
Slim had some excellent points when it comes to aging.

As to the heat, egad, do something... I highly suggest an AC unit.

CWFoster
Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:08:00 AM
Slim, I wish we could herf sometime! You and some others on here have educated the hell out of me! I think we are arguing the same point, but I wasn't aware of the whole "sick period" thing! I stand by my statement about aging, but I only have experience at aging a cigar for about thirteen months (kind of an accident, bought one that intimidated me at a salesmans suggestion, and finally got around to trying it over a year later.) My first Torano was an Exodus Gold, and I noted that when I bought another one, it wasn't quite as smooth as the first one I had. Subsequent gars from this line, while outstanding, still haven't lived up to that first one. I have 3/4 of a box resting peacefully and will fire one up soon to see if they are getting there. These are great cigars "out of the box" but The one I had for over a year made me a Torano fan for life! One of these days we'll have to go somewhere like LVCS, or RTDA and herf together! Unfortunately, I wont be able to make either one of those next year. Email me your snailer to foster_clive(at)yahoo(dot)com I want to send you a little something.
distresing
Monday, September 27, 2004 8:49:00 AM
"I think that a great many of the cigars that we get, are sold during that 'sick period', as many of the manufacturers will usually release them after a 6 month rest in their aging rooms." Does this mean that I should age all my sticks for 6 mos.? Or does buying 5-packs and samplers get me smokes that are older? Should I primarily be concerned with full boxes? And, bear with a newbie, when people say "cooler", are they referring to Coleman-type coolers or big Tupperware containers? Thanks

Russ