8trackdisco
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:29:00 PM
Have always been a deregulation fan. But I'm changing my tune.

With all these billions going to companies that have been deemed "too large to fail", there has to be a change made.

Maybe it's time for the government to put a cap on the size of a business. Not sure how I'd do it (by assets, number of employees, something else), but handing people loads of cash with failed business plan is plain stupid.

Businesses shouldn't be allowed to get "too large to fail".

wheelrite
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:33:00 PM
They should be allowed to fail,

Then let the market dictate,,,

wheel,

8trackdisco
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:40:00 PM
^

That's always what everyone has said, Wheel. But the government is stopping that exact thing from happening.

Now we are two years away from voting some of these scumbags out.

Special Interests pay for the politicos, the politicos pay back the Special Interests with bailouts and around and around it goes.

rfenst
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:42:00 PM
Meanwhile BoA almost failed too!

I am scarred ****-less.

rockmeister
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:56:00 PM
agree.....when the ****bags fail , let the next guy in. They sure as hell are treating us little guys like this. I remember being able to do business with a handshake (alot), and be able to work with other contractors. Now, it has become a **** the next guy business world, IMHO.

I thought it was Happy Hour!!!..what the hecker

wheelrite
Friday, January 16, 2009 3:58:00 PM
Happy Hour !!

Right you are !!

To the Bar !

wheel,

rockmeister
Friday, January 16, 2009 4:01:00 PM
YES!
donutboy2000
Friday, January 16, 2009 7:18:00 PM
Nationalization of all companies coming 1-20-09!
jimmy@ctconnect.com
Friday, January 16, 2009 9:23:00 PM
Re: #1 ...

... funny how though that there is BIG money being thrown towards the political campaign funds from these same corporations ...

... what's with the first $350B of the bailout package? All they did was buy more banks and take on more (overall) secured and unsecured debt ... and did nothing to extend credit to other businesses or consumers ...

... playing the market is now nothing more than a last-ditch hail-mary attempt ... get out now if you still can ...

HockeyDad
Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:52:00 AM
Embrace the shenanigans!
rfenst
Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:58:00 AM
8. Author: donutboy2000

Wow. You actually expressed an original thought! (sarcasm)

Now, you should try to move on to complete simple sentences and two to three sentence paragraphs.

8trackdisco
Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:59:00 AM
HD,

How does the Average Joe go about making money based on the shennanigans?

You are likely correct.

rfenst
Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:04:00 AM
^

By not spending every penny he or she makes.

Deriffe
Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:04:00 AM
What #2 said. We have capitalized profits and socialized losses. Both ways, taxpayers get screwed.
donutboy2000
Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:18:00 AM
#11

Just wait.

2009 will be a living hell.

Mr. Jones
Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:28:00 AM
^^^ Sounds like a qoute from the "Wife Swap" show I saw last night........

The hosting father of his swapped wife said.......

"God sent you to me as a preview to HELL"

I laughed my MFAO at that statement.

donutboy2000
Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:36:00 AM
#11

hyperbole

A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

[Latin hyperbol?, from Greek huperbol?, excess, from huperballein, to exceed : huper, beyond; see hyper– + ballein, to throw.]

If you are scared, hedge with SKF or FAZ.

jpotts
Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:16:00 PM
1. Author: 8trackdisco Date: 01/16/2009 08:29 PM Reply

Have always been a deregulation fan. But I'm changing my tune.

With all these billions going to companies that have been deemed "too large to fail", there has to be a change made.

Maybe it's time for the government to put a cap on the size of a business. Not sure how I'd do it (by assets, number of employees, something else), but handing people loads of cash with failed business plan is plain stupid.

Businesses shouldn't be allowed to get "too large to fail".

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The businesses you don't like have become "too large to fail" because of consolidation.

Many businesses consolidate for various reasons, however, a major driver these days is the cost of doing business in the first place. A MAJOR factyor in the cost of doing business is the regulations imposed on those industries by government.

In the automotive sector, there are a dizzying number of regulations - many of which make absolutely no sense - that FORCE companies to implement technologies that drive up the price of a car. CAFE standards literally force automakers to take stonger structural components out of the vehicle chassis, making the car deadlier to drive even at lower speeds.

The costs of these regulations make it nearly impossible for new start-up companies to gain a foothold in the market AND meet government regulations. If you take a look at the auto industry (both foreign and domestic) over the last 30 years, you'll find virtually no new start-up companies over that period of time. This is unprecidented, and a bellweather for the present condition the auto market finds itself.

On the other hand, if you take a look at an industry with little to no government regulation, you'll find not only vigrous growth and innovation, but the money of that sector spread out over a larger number of companies. A prime example is the personal computer market. There are literally hundreds of cpmpanies that manufacture and sell personal computers of all makes and types. If dell were to fall by the wayside, HP, ACER, and any number of PC producers would be able to fill its ranks. Consequently, the price of PCs have fallen over the course of their history (especially when compared against inflation).

So, what you're advocating is that the same people who created this probloem in the first place step in and do more of what f**ked things up from the get-go.

Not convinced? Take a look at the industries that are flagging in our present economy: energy, automotive, transportation, banking, finance. All of these are HEAVILY regulated.

The more money consolidated into fewer entites basically makes de facto monopolies. The government is nothing but one big monopoly, and look at how f**ked up they are at doing just about everything.

Markets work. Competition is a good thing. We should try it sometime.

jpotts
Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:23:00 PM
I'd also like to point out the fact that it has been the regulators who have been handing out this cash in the first place.

Regulation only works when the regualtors bother to do their job.

Capping industry size will only cause them to bypass whatever rules imposed on them to further growth. The only way to actually cap growth it to impose a communist-like system. And we've seen how well that historically worked.

Nixon decided to implement price controls back in the 1970s. All it did was force industry to re-label their products to bypass price caps.

I think it was Nixon (or Carter) who put a ceiling on fuel prices. The inevitable result of this was that virtually EVERYONE selling gas sold it at the maximum price.

Capping the private market doesn't work. We've got a long hisotry of this type of stuff being a HUGE failure.

donutboy2000
Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:46:00 PM
Maybe it's time for the government to put a cap on the size of a business = SOCIALISM