TopJimmy
Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:44:00 AM
hey guys, doing lots of searches but no luck...there was a brother who copied an article about tobacco taste profiles. it talked of a study which said some tobaccos contain vanilin which may give the smoker an impression of Vanilla....etc....anyone remember.....
CigarPrimate
Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:02:00 AM
I found lots of Google references about this (good old Google). This hit was interesting, as were many others:

http://www.synchemco.com/engshowcom.php?form_id=202 

Apparently, ehtyl-vanillin is sold in 40 kilogram drums, and used widely in tobacco products.

Just use Google search "tobacco vanillin."

TopJimmy
Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:17:00 AM
i believe there was something posted about this ingredient occuring naturally in some tobaccos. also told about getting a chocolate taste because the natural tobacco from XX has the same molecular structure (or something) which is found in cocoa
CigarPrimate
Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:48:00 AM
What occurs naturally in cigars is an interesting question. Plants generally have hundreds of phyto-combounds (phyto = 'plant'), most of the ones which interest us being alkaloids (alkaloid refering to the involvement of amines, or nitrogen elements, which are basic in chemical nature). Generally, it is the complexity and variation of these phyto-compounds that account for the complexity and variation occuring at the tastebud level, not only in cigars, but in food in general; in addition to salt ions and other substances. Additionally, the psychoactive components of plants, like nicotine, THC, etc., are usually alkaloids too; for example cocoa, or chocolate, has over 200 distinct alkaloids, some of which we know to cause remarkable psychoactivity along with powerful gustatory (taste and smell) activity. Most of these pyhto-compounds are variations on themes, and are often alike in structure, so we can talk about terms like "chocolate, vanilla, coffee," etc. with vague associations. Sometimes molecules resembling one another cause similar flavors (or psychoactivity) by mimicry, while sometimes completely different compounds cause a similar biochemical sensation. It would be interesting to look at some of the actual organic and biochemical compounds found in tobacco, and the nature of their biochemical mechanisms. Cigar and Cigarette makers are certainly aware of this chemical magic, and it wouldn't be surprising if the use a few 40 kilogram drums of substance x or y were employed to make their products more appealing to consumers.
bloody spaniard
Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:57:00 PM
Fascinating.

CigarPrimate, have you been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome? (serious question)

CigarPrimate
Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:17:00 PM
By 'serious' you meant, "allow me to demonstrate yet another facet of what an orifice I can be. Truly, BS." No, fortunately, I don't suffer from asperger's syndrome, which can have fairly tragic consequences for sufferers. What I suffer from, if you want to call it that, is an overwhelming interest about life and the physical world. Some people are happy just smoking a cigar, which is beautiful. I want to know what's in it, and what it is about what's in it that makes me like smoking it. I assume others might be interested too.
bloody spaniard
Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:35:00 PM
No CigarPrimate, it wasn't meant to be a mean swipe at you. It's just the depth of your explanations--usually well thought out, just a bit lengthy...

IMHO, the essence of "intelligence" is the ability to communicate the message in as few words as possible- without resorting to an endless stream of 50 cent words.

You are obviously an educated man but your words sometimes obfuscate your points.

Again, no offense meant- just an observation.

blood

Homebrew
Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:25:00 PM
Remember,

Never use a big word, when a diminutive one will suffice.

Later

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)

P.S. Thanks for the indepth scientific explanation. Some of us were interested.

CigarPrimate
Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:56:00 PM
According to that rule, simple grunting and gesturing are signs of intelligence then. I have found that upgrading my peer group rather than downgrading my vocabulary makes for higher quality interpersonal communications. For me, lengthy detail affords greater content than shallow rhetoric; it's a personal preference: like cigars.
Slimboli
Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:10:00 PM
I usually eschew obfuscation ...
Slimboli
Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:20:00 PM
CigarPrimate --- I think what 'bloody' was trying to get across, is that those less disciplined than yourself, will tend to get lost in your dissertations ...

... and you will find that you will only be imparting your wisdom to a very elite following.

Either that ... or you have the innate need to show the folk here that you are considerably smarter than they ... 😉

hat
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Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:43:00 PM
Leave him alone Slim.....I think that boy's got a purty mouth.
CigarPrimate
Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:44:00 PM
I don't see this conflict of style as anything a couple of shots of Cazadores Reposado and an Avo Domaine #10 won't smooth over. Be forewarned though, I'm expecting diverse shipments from Cbid next week, which will undoubtedly result in prolix reviews on my part.
baracuda
Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:12:00 PM
I kinda thought that primates' comments were rather poetic and insightful
redsquid
Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:33:00 PM
We may not agree on the hereafter, but I for one appreciate your posts. Keep 'em coming. At least I'll be reading them.
thurson
Sunday, October 17, 2004 11:48:00 PM
Keep 'em coming CP! I like the mental exercise.
usahog
Monday, October 18, 2004 12:06:00 AM
F*@k I do too... I enjoyed reading your discription defining the better qualities of the leaf...

if these guys can put up with my abrupt misspellings and short bluntal verbage they can grow to enjoy the insite from yourself CP...

btw welcome to CBid...

Hog

bloody spaniard
Monday, October 18, 2004 3:06:00 AM
Jeeeez, fuhgitboutit!

I don't equate "big words" with intelligence.

I know plenty of blue collar people without "education" who can think circles around some credentialed ceo's.

No need to muddle through hot air when a few well-placed "grunts & groans" will do. LOL

blood

Here comes the lecture on common sense vs. cognition.

pajama94us
Monday, October 18, 2004 3:32:00 AM
Talk about "The pot calling the kettle black" :^)
bloody spaniard
Monday, October 18, 2004 4:33:00 AM
^ True! LOL!