http://www.vitolas.net/wiki/%20scumbags/list 

This is one I happened across.

Posted this after reading the "what to do about a trade gone bad" thread.

Damn there are two out here

Uncle Sam even made the list.

I think its a bad trade when I send him money. No more money to Uncle Sam.

I know this is an old thread, but I wasn't sure how else to bring this up. I have two trades on this site that went bad. 1 was a LONG (maybe Jan/Feb) time ago with a brother that has not posted since, he was not a noob but a long time poster. I emailed him awhile back and he said he would be getting them out by the end of the week, he said that at least 3 or 4 times over the last few months. The second was with someone that I have traded with before but this time it was for much more expensive sticks (Anejos, DCMs, etc) he said they were lost in the mail and that he would try again if I wanted just with lower caliber sticks. I told him not to worry about it. I know there was a thread about this a couple months back but I couldn't find it... Does this happen to a lot of you or am I just the lucky one? Do you just walk away from it and pretend it never happened? lol I know that is what I will be doing. The reason I thought about it today was because I was going through old emails and remembered these trades that went bad. I guess this is just a rant. Oh well I feel better now.

I have never had a trade go bad, but I only seem to do a hand full of trades each year.

Is that the moki list I posted awhile back? If so, it is a wiki and people can add to it, but delete from it.

Also - if you have some bad deals, take to email one last time, then post here first so we all know who, then add them to the scumbag list. All forums use it.

* but not delete

I have only had one trade go south, which still has never been made good. Its a learning experience for sure. Sorry to hear about it 25

If the person involves flakes, let me know what it was and ill take care of it for you

My handle at hotmail.com

I trade a bunch and haven't had many problems. A couple of times I felt that I got the short end of the stick, but usually everything works out. The 2-3 people who shorted me wont get another trade from me. It's kind of like a restauarant with bad service. I just dont go back.

My problem is when people move and I try to bomb someone and ship it to an old address. It has happened a couple of times but only once the cigars were never recovered. That sucked but I guess it was my own fault.

There are a few who shouldn't be on list. Looks like some vindictive people got their panties in a bunch. X

Other forums take the trade etiquette more seriously

I've had 2 instances where someone put up an ISO and an "I'll hit you back" and I sent something and never received anything in return. But on both cases the people were in the middle of a lot of life stuff and I just let it go.

We all have lots of life stuff though. I know I do, but I still make sure to send out my packages as I am sure you do also. A week or two is one thing, months is very different

twenty5 -

I feel for you! Sorry!

That seems to be the constant answer, "I am in the middle of a lot of stuff right now" ... I understand that but months?? Come on, it takes 10 minutes to throw a bunch of gars in a box and let it fly. The other answer when I asked bad trader#2 for the DC#s is he lost them and the box must have got lost too... Really? The USPS never lost a box of mine before... How convenient to loose the tracking numbers as well.....

Oh well.

twenty5 -

Is trader #2 still active?

Not in the last month or so...

Hmmmm...I've had plenty of trouble with delivery services in my area (edge of the world), but I don't think any of my shipments out of here have gone missing. It does happen, however. PO lost one inbound to me (from a retailer) for weeks about a year or two back.

19.

Well if it was lost for weeks I should have had it weeks ago lol... Its not coming..