haon123
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Tuesday, March 3, 2009 2:05:00 PM
The 2010 proposed rate of 39.60% = socialism.

The 2002-2008 rates of 35.00% = capitalist nirvana.

The 39.6% rate of the 1990’s = socialism.

Everything else = down the memory hole.

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rfenst
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:01:00 AM
Why does the top rate matter in any analysis? So few pay it. measure for comparison and analysis? Wouldn't the mode rate be the best measure for comparison and analysis?
engletl
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:05:00 AM
I gotta agree rfenst

outlayers should be disregarded in any true & meaningful statistical analysis

zipdor
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:20:00 AM
World Wealth Report for 2007 by Capgemini for Merrill Lynch says there are approximately 3,028,000 households in the United States who hold at least US$1 million in financial assets, excluding collectibles, consumables, consumer durables and primary residences.

Tell most of them the top tax rate doesn't matter.

GreenWolf70
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:31:00 AM
High tax rates protect those who are already hold great wealth and prevents others from attaining that status. Ergo, why so many rich people support the Dems. It protects their status. You don't pay taxes on what you already own, other than property type taxes.
Propadope61
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:31:00 AM
The author is the name in my fictional book I wrote back in 76

Noah spelled backwards

Must have read it???

haon123
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:42:00 AM
"You don’t pay taxes on what you already own, other than property type taxes."

Death Tax

nir6van6a
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 4:46:00 AM
^ Don't even get me started on the Death Tax
big chief
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:14:00 AM
LOL!

Anybody actually look at that bar graph?

bluefox3681
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:00 AM
This chart is meaningless without a breakdown of tax brackets. 40% of Americans pay no income tax at all.

-Blue

big chief
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 6:16:00 AM
anybody here?? Hello???

I like the part of the 'bar graph' that indicates that someone earning $10,000/yr in 1944 got to keep $700 and pay $9300 in tax.

This graph is not even as accurate as my 'Lick-O-Meter'.

buzzy11
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 6:25:00 AM
Back when rates were at the peak on that graph, there were hundreds, if not thousands of legal loopholes available for high end earners. Sheltering income back then was eezzee peezzee. So that graph is worthless, as no one with a working brain cell paid anything close to those rates. Right on into the early 80's there were lots of legal tax shelters that flourished in this country. Not so much these days!
haon123
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 7:16:00 AM
11 - GIS for "Marginal Tax Rate"
bsevern
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:07:00 AM
#1 socialism huh ?

I guess I'd agree, handing out $750B of taxpayer money to the banks is definitely socialism, a true capitalist market would let them fail as they should.

topper7788
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 11:43:00 AM
Doesn't take into account "bracket creep" nor does it take into account back in the 80% days, EVERY THING was deductible, heck I think you could have deducted a burger back then...Plus there used to be all kinds of shelters to divert money tax free (That no longer exist today)... Most people in the 70's who made BIG money paid way less % proportionate to there earning than today.. No AMT either... Apples and Oranges argument...

hoan, Sure your not a communist?

haon123
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:04:00 PM
Anyone who lusts for a planned economy is a moran.

Yes, I am sure.

Anywho, didn't you get the memo? It's socialist now.

haon123
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:04:00 PM
Anyone who lusts for a planned economy is a moran.

Yes, I am sure.

Anywho, didn't you get the memo? The proper pejorative socialist now.

jpotts
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:30:00 PM
15. Author: topper7788 Date: 03/04/2009 04:43 PM Reply

Doesn’t take into account "bracket creep" nor does it take into account back in the 80% days, EVERY THING was deductible, heck I think you could have deducted a burger back then...Plus there used to be all kinds of shelters to divert money tax free (That no longer exist today)... Most people in the 70’s who made BIG money paid way less % proportionate to there earning than today.. No AMT either... Apples and Oranges argument...

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It also does not take into account the income level at which the top marginal rate applies. In 1920, which there was a very high income tax percentage, the income at which it kicked in was something like %1,000,000.00.

While in the 1960s, JFK stumped on cutting taxes, which actually happened after his death, resulting in a drop from 91% to 70%, which resulted in greater economic activity (though the level was dropped from $400,000.00 per year to $200,000.00 year).

In either event, the number of people in these tax brackets was pathetically small.

Contrast this with 2002 and 2003 where the marginal rate may be about 40%, but the income levels are around $300,000.00 per year.

Mind you, the income levels I've cited - from the sources I've read - are not adjusted for inflation. Thus, if you were making $1,000,000.00 in 1920, you could buy one of several small countries. This is not true today.

Furthermore, each year shown or group of years represented, the *definition* of income is different. At one time, your tax withholding refund was not counted as income. Now it is.

Furthermore, there are far more federal and state taxes applied to various economic drivers that also sap income in addition to an income tax. Thus, when it comes time to pay income tax, you generally have less disposable income than in previous years.

This is little boy hanoi trying to play children's games with numbers, without citing context.

corvairkid
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:36:00 PM
I do believe that the deductions in the 60's were very liberal. Not so today. So the bite will be bigger.
topper7788
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 1:47:00 PM
Jpotts,

Like I said, apples and oranges... In the 20's through the 60's if you were in the top bracket YOU WERE RICH, today you make a very good living...