so, i have been hashing this out, since it does not really make sense.

Pig Flu.

Started in Mexico. Affects mostly teens (no one over 65). Kills some, but not much more than the regular flu (which kills 14,000 Americans per year).

so, i start to think more and more about it as Japanese people panic to this "pandemic". Why almost only teenagers?

and then it hit me...what if THIS is a trial run. I read that it looks like a laboratory escape. What if it was released on citizens of Mexico and "they" are recording who it affects and how it moves. It is not very fatal, but enough to get the press coverage necessary for data collection.

No one knows how it got to Japan--the first case is said not to have traveled. this may mean that some people can carry the virus without getting the effects...and this reinforces the theory that it is tailored to one group--teenagers.

Why teenagers? great question. well, they are strong enough to fight the disease, so fatalities would be down..........and then it hit me.........when we are fighting wars, who do you want to eliminate? fighting-age men. Amp up the age a tad and kill all males 16-35...a perfect weapon.

see what happens when the govt. closes down schools? i have too much time on my hands to think! just an idea...an interesting idea. (*psst*--if i mysteriously die in the near future, you know they read this thread and got to me...where is that damned aluminum hat?)

Well, I guess it's certainly possible that hamthrax is an engineered virus.

I guess it's also possible that the evolution of hamthrax is nothing unusual, unnatural or out of the ordinary, and that flu's have been mutating like that for centuries, millenniums, or most likely aeons, but we've never had the technology to realize and record this cross-species mutation & jump before the modern era.

But just in case, it's been nice knowing you burgie.

I guess the main reason i started thinking about this yesterday is that i remember the avian flu 2 years ago. it was MUCH more deadly here in Asia, in particular. and everyone was getting it.

this time, the fear is high, but the death count isn't unusual...and when stuff like this happens, babies and retirees are the ones that die off. not so much this time. i find that very intriguing.

...yup

WHAT DID OBAMA KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?

no way he knew. he is a bright guy, and he would have to figure dropping it in Mexico or Canada, it would have to trickle across the border. If it started in say VENEZUELA, i think more conspiracy theories would have started....but wait, oh yeah, those leaders are friends now!

Interesting.

Are you thinking that avian was also engineered and that hamthrax is a more targeted version of something more sinister?

#6

US pandemic = martial law = dictator for life

actually, i thought avian flu was a different sort of mess.

you see, birds are all cooped up in hangar-sized "barns". thousands die from stress every day. these birds are given antibiotics in their food, so they don't get diseases to pass on to humans...thus, they are safe to eat.

well, we all know what happens when too much of an antibiotic is injested. they become useless as viruses and bacterias mutate/evolve in order to survive. you now make a super-virus.

and the flu started with people who handled birds. chicken farms. and it passed more often from bird-to-human than human-to-human.

did this pig flu start on pig farms in mexico? i had not heard this. why "swine flu"? if an infected person went to a pig farm, would the pigs catch it?

Hamthrax...LMAO.

I think it's a Mexican conspiracy to take over Japan. Trouble is, the logistics are far different than taking over the U.S. First, it's not like they can just walk across the border, there's some serious distance to cross on the water. Japan would notice all the boats. Second, the "sneak in and set up house, take some jobs" approach has been done to death, so Japan would be wise to that, too.

I think you're onto something here. Oh, and Homeland Security wants to talk with you.

Let me play Devil's Advocate:

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Started in Mexico. Affects mostly teens (no one over 65). Kills some, but not much more than the regular flu (which kills 14,000 Americans per year).

so, i start to think more and more about it as Japanese people panic to this "pandemic". Why almost only teenagers?

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From what I have seen, it does not discriminate. The people who have died here in Amerika were not teenagers.

Plus, it seems to be very mild. It has been reported that the CDC is having a hard time following the course of the sickness because some people barely know they're sick.

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and then it hit me...what if THIS is a trial run. I read that it looks like a laboratory escape. What if it was released on citizens of Mexico and "they" are recording who it affects and how it moves. It is not very fatal, but enough to get the press coverage

necessary for data collection.

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The number of people who have dies from this has been fairly small. Initial reports of 150 people dying from this in Mexico were incorrect. It ended up being only 7 people. As it stand as of 5/17/2009, only 75 people have died because of this version of Swine Flu, most of those in Mexico. And I'll bet that this virus is WAY more widespread down there than is being reported.

As for why Mexico, that's not all that hard to figure out. It isn't a place known for high standards of hygiene, and you can buy antibiotics there off the shelf, no doctor's script. Overuse of antibiotics can lead to resistant strains of other diseases, which may also be partially to blame for the deaths attributed to Swine Flu. Plus, they don't exactly have the same standards of health care or reporting as we do here in the US.

Furthermore, places like Mexico City have some of the highest populations of people crammed into a single city space. Close living conditions, bad sanitation, and an anemic health care system make a viral outbreak very feasible.

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No one knows how it got to Japan--the first case is said not to have traveled. this may mean that some people can carry the virus without getting the effects...and this reinforces the theory that it is tailored to one group--teenagers.

Why teenagers? great question. well, they are strong enough to fight the disease, so fatalities would be down..........and then it hit me.........when we are fighting wars, who do you want to eliminate? fighting-age men. Amp up the age a tad and kill all males 16-35...a perfect weapon.

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Most viruses can take up to two weeks to incubate before symptoms start to appear. Because Mexico, these days, is in the manufacturing chain for automotive production, it is very possible that people traveling back and forth to Mexico on business could have EASILY brought it back to Japan.

As for teenagers, from what I've heard ot read, this flu is not transmitted via the air. The most common airborn method it when you cough or sneeze, your bodily fluids create a fine aresol that can be inhaled by people around you. Once a viable virus makes it into the thinner tissues of the nose or throat, it xcan attack the body. Much of this depends on how viable a virus is in these conditions. Supposedly, this virus is quite weak, and required fluid transmission of some sort - mainly siliva.

Teenagers pretty frequently swap spit, being the horny little devils they are. So there's your infection vector.

And again, the death rates for this virus are thus far very, very small. So, I'm having a real hard time thinking that this is a military dry run.

#11 "Let me play Devil’s Advocate"

Now now...the person who represents himself has a fool for a client.

I blame Victor808

You guys are INSANE if you think a federal government was organized enough to do this on purpose.

ScottHar

If you listen to Mariachi's or Rap Music you WILL get it.

It's a Virus developed in Nashville....

wheel,,

So, I’m having a real hard time thinking that this is a military dry run.

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then, they have succeeded. no one thinks they did it.

let's be honest, if they wanted to kill us, they could. but they chose the spring time to drop the flu bomb! winter is when flu kills, people are inside so germs abound. people being outside lessens the kill range.

brilliant, really!

Actually, because a flu virus is based off of RNA (simplified explanation), it is unstable. If the government wanted a bonafide, guaranteed killer they would use something that was based off of a double-strand of DNA, like small pox.

Viruses like colds and flu use a singular strand of genetic material to replicate themselves within a cell. This configuration is inherently unstable, and lends itself to replication errors during the reproduction process. Thus, what may be a virulent killer this month might transform into a harmless irritant the next. That's what happened in the Influenza epidemic of the early 1900s. A single flu virus transformed into a virulent killer, and then morphed into something less deadly.

So, unless you're literally hand-stitching a virus together from the ground-up before you release it, there is no guarantee that after several generations of reproduction your virus will be the same as the original.

And after it is released into a population you have no guarantees that it will continue its potency for an extended period of time.

Finally, as data has shown, the effectiveness of influenza diminishes SEVERELY during warm, humid weather - influenza is almost unheard of during warm summer periods, and in tropical regions of the world. If the military did release a virus to gauge its effectiveness, this would probably be the worst time to do it. Usually, you'd release it under optimal conditions.

^and, i repeat, they might not want to completely open pandoras box. more than half of the H5N1 (avian flu) cases ended in fatalities.

sure, a test run of a designer flu in the dead of winter would probably get more ideal results...but maybe Hollywood and movies like Resident Evil and 28 Days Later have perhaps been cause for pause for the higher ups.

Would hate to end the world during a test run.

The virus has elements of avian flu and a flu usually found in two different species of pigs that aren't even on the same continent. That tells me that it was engineered in a lab somewhere.

Personally, I think the excitement over swine flu is due to memory of the virus spreading in 1976.

Remember when they gave evryone in the military swine flu shots?

Some scientist, wanting to claim some media time threw up the red flag on it and away the media went...

There also was a discussion that it went through Mexico like wildfire because of a susceptability for a virus like this one to spread amongst the Mexicans due to a genetic issue. Something about the Indian part of their genetics lacking the ability to fight off certain strains of virus/disease.