Does anybody have this brand of window?

If so, what do you think of them?

Monday, February 11, 2008

I was one of the unfortunate who got suckered into their "one and a half hour" sales presentation. It actually took no less than 4 hours!!! When we made the appointment, we had asked for ONLY a price to replace 2 broken windows we had. When they confirmed the appt., we again expressed that we didn't want the whole presentation and just bid for 2 broken windows. When the salesman arrived we AGAIN explained that we didn't need or want his regular presentation but just a quick bid on the 2 broken windows. "Sure. No problem," he said. But then he somehow still managed to rope us into the full presentation before we realized what was going on. After 45 minutes, we realized he was going after the entire presentation we just figured we'd let him continue. After all, they said it would be only 1.5 hours total. Throughout his entire presentation, he said several times that at the end he just wanted a simple YES or NO from us - no pressure. We agreed that was fair. I must admit, the information he was providing on heat loss, my current windows, their company, and their windows was intriguing. But soon dinner was ready, the baby was crying, and this guy wasn't even closed to finishing up!!! 3.5 hours into the presentation, we finally started to talk price. It was $48,000 to replace all of our windows with their "energy saving" windows. FORTY EIGHT THOUSAND!!!! We again explained that we weren't interested in replacing all of the windows and definitely less interested, with that price tag. That's when his tone changed sharply. He then became increasingly demanding, offering us all sorts of financing deals and explaining how the deal paid for itself in energy savings. Despite his continued demands, we kept saying NO. We simply weren't interested, but apparently he was only interested in hearing YES. He persisted and tried another 10 times to convince us we needed to do this deal - and do it TODAY! There were HUGE incentives if we acted RIGHT NOW. But tomorrow it would be back to full price. And the demands turned into downright rudeness. We were more than polite. But once we emphatically made it clear we weren't interested in anything from him - including the 2 windows, be became downright condescending and rude! He turned from a nice gentleman into a rude jerk! I couldn't believe it. Don't let these guys in your front door!!!

http://www.judysbook.com/members/96800/posts/2008/2/529373 

I thought this was a thread about Linux.

Bye.

TG...I got that reference.

From Crime Lord and Batman's nemesis to hawking replacement windows.

http://www.replacement-windows.com/ 

they have a discussion board/forum you can click to at the top of the page. There is also a link to "some very helpful posts" from Oberon (a forum member), on the homepage, with a lot of info to look at while shopping windows.

Some other sites I found useful through all the different remodeling we've done over the past 5 years or so.

http://www.diychatroom.com/ 

http://www.contractortalk.com/index.php 

The first site was helpful. Eventually, I went with Atrium for my windows (about 3 years ago). I didn't hear too much about them, but comparing all the specs to other brands they had good (if not better) ratings than most. After looking at that first website, I found that shopping for windows is almost like shopping for diamonds. There are several things to look for (R value AND U value, Energy Star, etc etc). I did a quick search for "Penguin" on the forum and the site and didn't see it anywhere...not even listed on their "Top 100 Window Manufacturers" list, but on Penguin's site they list themself as "the 8th largest replacement company."