jpotts
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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:50:00 AM
Ford F-150 at #1, Ford Fusion at #11.

Toyota Prius at #19, barely edging out the Chevy Cobolt.

topper7788
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:55:00 AM
potts,

Whats your point?

And where did Camry, Carola, Accord, Civic, Altima finish??? MMMmmmmm

Everyone know the domestics do Pick - Ups in volume....

jpotts
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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:00:00 AM
My point is that the beloved Prius is way down on the list.

Way behind the SUVs, and the pickups.

And the Fusion. And the Malibu.

topper7788
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:09:00 AM
Potts,

The Prius while being the number 1 retail Hybrid is certainly not considered a "volume" vehicle for Toyota...

Hybrids as you know make up a very small % of vehicle sales even in this under 10 mil market.

jpotts
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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:15:00 AM
Yep.

People are just falling all over themselves to buy hybrids.

DrafterX
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:21:00 AM
I can see sales increasing when the price of gas goes up again.... till then I think most everyone is content... I'll personally never buy for gas milage alone...
MikeyRavioli
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:24:00 AM
I was in the market for a new car in November. I wanted to buy an American car, I really really did.

I was looking at a Chrysler 300M. Beautiful car. By the time I added the options I wanted I was looking at 34k and the financing was 6.9%.

I went to Dodge. Everything looked like a retro muscle car. Wasn't interested.

I went to Ford. Everything looked like a sensible family sedan (or the Mustang). Wasn't interested.

Chevy. Same.

I went to Caddy. Loved the 2008 CTS. LOVED IT! 42k and 6.9% financing.

I work down the block from a big BMW dealer. Stopped in at lunch one day on a fluke. I walked out with a deal on an 08 X3. Under 30k, 0.9%, 4 years of maintenance included. It gets 19-22 mpg depending on how much highway I drive.

I wanted to buy American.

jpotts
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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:27:00 AM
MikeyRavioli:

You know, if you would have waited, you could have bought Chrysler in its entirety.

herfidore
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:54:00 AM
^ But probably not at 0.9% financing.
donutboy2000
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30:00 AM
Isn't the X3 built in Spartanburg?
MikeyRavioli
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:38:00 AM
Honestly don't know. I consider BMW a foreign car company as opposed to American. If it is made here, all the better.
neopuritan
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:22:00 PM
Don't forget to keep your tires properly inflated... it'll save you $1000s in annual fuel costs... and reduce our dependence on foreign oil all but entirely...
gringococolo
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:24:00 PM
Don't forget to pay extra for nitrogen. It's super tire air.
borndead1
Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:33:00 AM
I traded my Prius in when gas was $4/gallon. The dealership was VERY nice to me. Gave me more than the car was worth (it had body damage).

If I tried to trade that car in today, they would probably laugh at me.

topper7788
Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:18:00 AM
Potts, your going to love this! Actually it makes sense:

Nearly 20% of U.S. cars will be hybrids by 2020, forecast says

Hans Greimel

Automotive News

May 27, 2009

TOKYO -- The global market for hybrid cars will grow more than 23-fold to 11.28 million vehicles by 2020 and account for nearly one in five cars sold in the United States, JPMorgan predicts.

Demand for the fuel-efficient gasoline-electric vehicles will be spurred partly by stricter government regulation of carbon dioxide emissions in the United States and Europe, JPMorgan auto analysts wrote in their 88-page annual hybrid-vehicle report, released May 22.

Global hybrid-vehicle volume totaled 480,000 in 2008, accounting for a mere 0.7 percent of global sales. But business is seen swelling to 11.28 million in the next 12 years, with hybrids accounting for 13.3 percent of global sales, JPMorgan says.

In the United States, hybrids will capture 19.4 percent of the market by then, the investment bank predicts.

Also fueling the surge will be the falling costs of hybrid drivetrains.

The unit cost of a hybrid system -- including the batteries, motors and computer hardware -- is seen dropping to $1,890 by 2020 from an estimated $5,667 last year, JPMorgan says. This will price hybrid vehicles more closely to traditional gasoline-powered cars.

jpotts
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Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:43:00 AM
Ford is going to introduce a hybrid F-150.

However, and I'd like to point this out, if it takes another 20 years to turnover only something like 20% of the US fleet into hybrid cars, that sorta says that hybrids, even in 2020, still suck.